I don't see a significant difference except the obvious one of scale. Excess
electrons will travel to where there is a home for them, one way or another...
a (relative) few at a time, as they accrue... or en masse if they build up. If
it were not so, how would a capacitor work? Or anything else, for that matter.
Except for scale and the huge number of earth and sky variables that determine
where, when, etc... why should a lightning strike be any different?
again, just my unschooled, unformula'd, two common cents :-) (I just gotta
quit this thread)
73, Jerry K3BZ
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Aycock
To: Towertalk@contesting.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 8:01 AM
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Lighting
Funny how some simple things are forgotten. I have two "grounding straps"
that came with solid state components. The instructions told me to wrap the
velcro band around my wrist, with the metal plate in contact with my skin,
and clip the alligator clip to the chassis of the place where the component
was intended to go. The purpose was to bleed off static charge through the
wire, rather than by an arc to the component.
How is this different from the effect of the ground provided by a tower
coupled to the earth by a wire or rod?
Bill
at 02:38 AM 7/7/2004 -0400, you wrote:
> > Many people have described observing this anecdotally, like W0UN with his
>50
> > to 100-mile view in Colorado, lighting strikes would cease when they
>neared
> > his antenna farm and pick up again a couple miles on the other side.
> >
>The strikes may decrease, but I doubt it's due to the grounded towers.
>Strikes ocurr due to a potential difference between the cloud (source) and
>ground. As a storm moves localized and moving areas of charge form on the
>ground as well as in the clouds(NWS). A grounded tower only serves to move
>opposing portions of the charged area closer together. OTOH the charged
>area my be to one side of the tower at a distance greater than the height of
>the tower. In this case the ground feeder will probably initiate from the
>nearby ground instead of the tower. Strikes are preceeded by what are
>called leaders, or feeders. These leaders extend both from the cloud(s)
>downward and from the earth upward as well as between clouds. *Generally*,
>but not always, the downward strike comes after an initiating upward
>current.
>
>The theory behind lightning rods and static balls is they help bleed off the
>charge faster than it can accumulate much like the corona discharge from a
>Vandagraph generator. It's basically a high voltage corona with little
>current. It takes time for the charge to build high enough for a strike to
>occurr. This takes a fine point, or a lot of fine/sharp points. Still, in
>many storms the charge builds far faster than the lightening rod(s) or
>static balls can bleed off.
>
>It is not the job of the rod or ball to protect the structure during a hit,
>but hopefully to prevent the hit from happening, or lowering the charge so
>the strike is not as strong as it could have been.
>
> > Many of us have also observed the tic-tic-tic of static discharge coming
>in
> > on a coax.
>
>Everything is relative. Looking at it from the lightning's perspective that
>spark is the antenna *charging* to the localized, higher potential
>difference of the ground.
>
> >
> > I doubt these things "prevent" a lightning strike, but I personally do
> > believe they help discharge the atmosphere near the antenna farm, which
> > helps prevent some strikes. This effect may be much more pronounced with
>a
> > multi-tower station than with just one tower.
>
>I don't think any one knows for sure, but logically all those high points
>could help bleed off charge, ... or they could just pose as a generalized
>ground at a higher altitude. After all, it is generally the taller objects
>that *tend* to get hit. Look at the repeated hits the Empire State Building
>takes.
>
> >
> > On a dry winter day when you're walking on the carpet at the office and
>then
> > touch the metal drinking fountain you get a sudden static discharge,
>
>Ever see snow static cause arcs across a PL-259? I've never had a mag that
>put out that much juice. IF it's cold and really blowing you can get an arc
>every 5 seconds or even less and that is one potent strike. They are a real
>good reason for not disconnecting the cable and letting it lay on the floor.
>The choke from center conductor to ground at the coax connector on most rigs
>prevent the snow static from building to much of anything.
>
>When static starts to build here, I can hear the popping of the flash overs
>at the center insulators on some antennas. One reason I now have normally
>grounded relays and the antennas are at DC ground.
>
>Like Tom I never, or rarely ever, disconnect a rig during a storm. I do
>quit operating at times though. <:-))
>
> > analogous to a lightning strike (though micro). Touch something metal
>every
>
>Kinda, sorta, almost, similar...<:-)) The dynamics and as you say, scale,
>are different but there are similiarities.
>
> > few steps and the charge cannot build up to such a size. You are
> > discharging the buildup before it gets so big.
>
>Which is what lightning rods and static balls are supposed to do.
>
>Roger Halstead (K8RI, EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
>N833R, World's Oldest Debonair (S# CD-2)
>www.rogerhalstead.com
> >
> > 73 - Rich, KE3Q
><Snip>
>
>
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