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Subject: [TowerTalk] FW: Worm Gears
From: "Matt" <maflukey@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 22:52:01 -0500
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Most important  - check the lubricant level periodically - especially if there 
are visible signs of seepage around the seal areas.   There are sight plugs at 
different locations on the housing which are used for different mounting 
positions.   For horizontal input shaft positions with the input shaft at the 
top - look on the flanged face parallel to the input shaft.   For horizontal 
input shaft with the input shaft at the bottom, use the plug on the flanged 
face parallel to the output shaft.   The other mounting positions are 
irrelevant as they would not be used on tower drives.

The nature of how we use most towers does not result in very many accumulated 
hours, so primary lubricant life factor is contamination.   Contamination 
results from daily temperature cycles wherein the box "inhales" air through the 
vent cap as temperatures cool and "exhales" as they rise.   A little humidity 
comes in with each breath.   Over time, that humidity can potentially condense 
and starts to contaminate the lubricant.  Although breakdown occurs naturally 
over time, it becomes accelerated with elevated temperatures.   This is one 
area where the synthetics have come a long way...   In any event, we really 
don't run these gears on towers long enough to heat up the lubricant very much, 
so breakdown would be very slow.

But now to answer your question, Hub City recommends changing the gear oil 
every 2,500 operating hours for petroleum based lubes, and every 5,000 hours 
for synthetics - OR - every 6 months for petroleum based lubes, and every 12 
months for synthetic based lubes.   I would say the time interval requirement 
is overly-conservative CYA that covers a multitude of possible applications...  
but that is only my opinion.

Hope this info is helpful to you.

Matt
KM5VI

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Worm Gears

For those of us who own US Tower models with the Hub City boxes - how often 
should we be changing the lubricant?   I see no mention or concern whatsoever 
from US Tower on the matter. My tower is now approaching 5 years in service, so 
it is in the back of my mind.......... 
Eric 
K2CB 
  

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Today's Topics: 

   1. Re: Worm Gears (Richard (Rick) Karlquist) 
   2. Re: Worm Gears (Robert Harmon) 
   3. FW:  Worm Gears (Matt) 
   4. Fwd:  Fwd:  Antenna near chimney - bad idea? (Hans Hammarquist) 
   5. Re: Worm Gears (Robert Harmon) 
   6. Fwd:  Fwd:  Fwd:  Antenna near chimney - bad idea? 
      (Hans Hammarquist) 


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Message: 1 
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 14:52:00 -0700 
From: "Richard (Rick) Karlquist" <richard@karlquist.com> 
To: Robert Harmon <k6uj@pacbell.net>, TowerTalk@contesting.com 
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Worm Gears 
Message-ID: <55946100.6010105@karlquist.com> 
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On 6/30/2015 3:52 PM, Robert Harmon wrote: 
> I dont want sabotage our worm gear discussion but wanted to throw in a 
> question about gear lube for a worm gear box.    I am going to change the 
> gear oil in my US tower 
> box.  It is a Hub City worm gear.  Thinking of using a Mobil 1 Synthetic gear 
> lube,  a PAG type. 
> Dont ask me what the PAG means but Hub City recomends a PAG synthetic.  Any 
> one used a 
> synthetic ? 
> 
> Bob 
> K6UJ 
> 

Mobil 1 LS comes in 75W90 and 75W140.  Which is correct 
for Hub City?  Is 1 quart enough for a gear box? 

Rick N6RK 


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Message: 2 
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 15:51:08 -0700 
From: Robert Harmon <k6uj@pacbell.net> 
To: TowerTalk@contesting.com 
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Worm Gears 
Message-ID: <80E93054-6716-4629-92AD-588A7C83A11A@pacbell.net> 
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Hi Rick, 

It needs to be a specific synthetic gear lube. 
I called Hub City and they recommend their 460 PAG for worm gears. 
They said that the Mobil 1 Glycol 460 is what they are using. 
My Hub City worm gear box takes over a quart so I am ordering 2 quarts. 
BTW,  they should not be filled to the top.  About 30 % air space should be 
left for thermal expansion. 
Heres some Hub City info on worm gear lubes, (below) 
and below that the specs on the Mobil 1 460 they are talking about. 
I am ordering mine on line, not stocked anywhere locally. 


Hub City worm gear lube instruction sheet 
http://www.hubcityinc.com/documents/LI-WG-S-D-071814.pdf 
<http://www.hubcityinc.com/documents/LI-WG-S-D-071814.pdf> 


Their recommended Mobil 1 synthetic lube 
http://www.wardieh.com/admin/document/(2786f39d8352b23e50cf17c424e017c5).pdf 
<http://www.wardieh.com/admin/document/(2786f39d8352b23e50cf17c424e017c5).pdf> 


Bob 
K6UJ 







> On Jul 1, 2015, at 2:52 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist <richard@karlquist.com> 
> wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> On 6/30/2015 3:52 PM, Robert Harmon wrote: 
>> I dont want sabotage our worm gear discussion but wanted to throw in a 
>> question about gear lube for a worm gear box.    I am going to change the 
>> gear oil in my US tower 
>> box.  It is a Hub City worm gear.  Thinking of using a Mobil 1 Synthetic 
>> gear lube,  a PAG type. 
>> Dont ask me what the PAG means but Hub City recomends a PAG synthetic.  Any 
>> one used a 
>> synthetic ? 
>> 
>> Bob 
>> K6UJ 
>> 
> 
> Mobil 1 LS comes in 75W90 and 75W140.  Which is correct 
> for Hub City?  Is 1 quart enough for a gear box? 
> 
> Rick N6RK 
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> 
> 
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Message: 3 
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 18:06:50 -0500 
From: "Matt" <maflukey@gmail.com> 
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Subject: [TowerTalk] FW:  Worm Gears 
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Hi Rick, 

Viscosity of ISO 460 converts to SAE 140, 75W140. 

Matt 
KM5VI 

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From: TowerTalk [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard (Rick) Karlquist 
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 4:52 PM 
To: Robert Harmon; TowerTalk@contesting.com 
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Worm Gears 



On 6/30/2015 3:52 PM, Robert Harmon wrote: 
> I dont want sabotage our worm gear discussion but wanted to throw in a 
> question about gear lube for a worm gear box.    I am going to change the 
gear oil in my US tower 
> box.  It is a Hub City worm gear.  Thinking of using a Mobil 1 Synthetic 
gear lube,  a PAG type. 
> Dont ask me what the PAG means but Hub City recomends a PAG synthetic.   
> Any one used a synthetic ? 
> 
> Bob 
> K6UJ 
> 

Mobil 1 LS comes in 75W90 and 75W140.  Which is correct for Hub City?  Is 1 
quart enough for a gear box? 

Rick N6RK 
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Message: 4 
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 20:07:47 -0400 
From: Hans Hammarquist <hanslg@aol.com> 
To: towertalk@contesting.com 
Subject: [TowerTalk] Fwd:  Fwd:  Antenna near chimney - bad idea? 
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I have no idea what is generated burning store-bought duraflame fire logs. I 
know that, brunt "wrong" generate a lot of chemical compounds, creosote being 
one of them. I still wouldn't recommend putting anything near a chimney. I know 
what my TV antenna looked like after a few years next to (on top) of my 
chimney. Not a pretty picture. 


Hans - N2JFS 



-----Original Message----- 
From: John Keating <john.keating@sbcglobal.net> 
To: towertalk <towertalk@contesting.com> 
Sent: Tue, Jun 30, 2015 10:46 pm 
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Fwd:  Antenna near chimney - bad idea? 


Suppose the only thing burned are those store-bought duraflame fire logs? 

John KK6PLG 


Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 15:21:00 -0400 

From: Hans 
Hammarquist <hanslg@aol.com> 

To: towertalk@contesting.com 

Subject: 
[TowerTalk] Fwd:  Antenna near chimney - bad idea? 

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The biggest problem is corrosion. Any oil burner 
generate a small, but 
significant amount of acid that will corrode your tower, 
antenna, rotor, 
etc. faster than away from the chimney. I have not seen any 
problems with 
soot. 

Hans - N2JFS 

  

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Subject:               [TowerTalk] Antenna 
near 

chimney - bad idea? 

From:    John Keating 
<john.keating@sbcglobal.net> 

Date:     Mon, 

29 Jun 2015 10:01:47 -0700 




  

I have limited options for placing my 40' tower and tribander at my 
QTH. 

One of 

them is next to the 2 story house very near the 33' chimney. 
Am wondering if 
anyone has experience...soot affecting rotor or antenna 
parts? 




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Message: 5 
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 18:55:23 -0700 
From: Robert Harmon <k6uj@pacbell.net> 
To: towertalk <towertalk@contesting.com> 
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Worm Gears 
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Matt, 

The viscosity is only part of the equation. 
I might be a comparable viscosity but there are many other ingredients 
that are formulated into the lubricants for specific applications. 
The gear lube we are discussing is a synthetic lube specifically formulated for 
worm gears. 

Bob 
K6UJ 



> On Jul 1, 2015, at 4:06 PM, Matt <maflukey@gmail.com> wrote: 
> 
> Hi Rick, 
> 
> Viscosity of ISO 460 converts to SAE 140, 75W140. 
> 
> Matt 
> KM5VI 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: TowerTalk [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard (Rick) Karlquist 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 4:52 PM 
> To: Robert Harmon; TowerTalk@contesting.com 
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Worm Gears 
> 
> 
> 
> On 6/30/2015 3:52 PM, Robert Harmon wrote: 
>> I dont want sabotage our worm gear discussion but wanted to throw in a 
>> question about gear lube for a worm gear box.    I am going to change the 
> gear oil in my US tower 
>> box.  It is a Hub City worm gear.  Thinking of using a Mobil 1 Synthetic 
> gear lube,  a PAG type. 
>> Dont ask me what the PAG means but Hub City recomends a PAG synthetic.   
>> Any one used a synthetic ? 
>> 
>> Bob 
>> K6UJ 
>> 
> 
> Mobil 1 LS comes in 75W90 and 75W140.  Which is correct for Hub City?  Is 1 
> quart enough for a gear box? 
> 
> Rick N6RK 
> _______________________________________________ 
> 
> 
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Message: 6 
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 22:56:03 -0400 
From: Hans Hammarquist <hanslg@aol.com> 
To: towertalk@contesting.com 
Subject: [TowerTalk] Fwd:  Fwd:  Fwd:  Antenna near chimney - bad 
        idea? 
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Think about it, that chimney is connected to a wood burning stow. I guess wood 
gives off acid as well. 


Hans - N2JFS 



-----Original Message----- 
From: Hans Hammarquist via TowerTalk <towertalk@contesting.com> 
To: towertalk <towertalk@contesting.com> 
Sent: Wed, Jul 1, 2015 9:47 pm 
Subject: [TowerTalk] Fwd:  Fwd:  Antenna near chimney - bad idea? 


I have no idea what is generated burning store-bought duraflame fire logs. I 
know that, brunt "wrong" generate a lot of chemical compounds, creosote being 
one of them. I still wouldn't recommend putting anything near a chimney. I know 
what my TV antenna looked like after a few years next to (on top) of my 
chimney. 
Not a pretty picture. 


Hans - N2JFS 



-----Original Message----- 
From: 
John Keating <john.keating@sbcglobal.net> 
To: towertalk 
<towertalk@contesting.com> 
Sent: Tue, Jun 30, 2015 10:46 pm 
Subject: Re: 
[TowerTalk] Fwd:  Antenna near chimney - bad idea? 


Suppose the only thing 
burned are those store-bought duraflame fire logs? 

John KK6PLG 


Date: 
Tue, 30 Jun 2015 15:21:00 -0400 

From: Hans 
Hammarquist 
<hanslg@aol.com> 

To: towertalk@contesting.com 

Subject: 
[TowerTalk] Fwd: 
Antenna near chimney - bad 
idea? 

Message-ID: 
<14e45ea4da6-38c1-2b2a1@webprd-m47.mail.aol.com> 

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text/plain; 
charset=utf-8 


The biggest problem is corrosion. Any oil 
burner 
generate a small, but 
significant amount of acid that will corrode your 
tower, 
antenna, rotor, 
etc. faster than away from the chimney. I have not seen 
any 
problems with 
soot. 

Hans - N2JFS 

  

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Subject:               [TowerTalk] 
Antenna 
near 

chimney - bad idea? 

From:    John 
Keating 
<john.keating@sbcglobal.net> 

Date:     Mon, 

29 Jun 2015 10:01:47 
-0700 




  

I have limited options for placing my 40' tower and 
tribander at my 
QTH. 

One of 

them is next to the 2 story house very near 
the 33' chimney. 
Am wondering if 
anyone has experience...soot affecting rotor 
or 
antenna 
parts? 




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