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Re: [TowerTalk] Emotator Rotator

To: Roger Parsons <ve3zi@yahoo.com>, "[TowerTalk]" <towertalk@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Emotator Rotator
From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <lists@subich.com>
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2024 17:18:12 -0500
List-post: <mailto:towertalk@contesting.com>


Information on Emotator is very sparce, but this one uses 28V AC and the rotator has two windings with a common point. Voltage is supplied
between the common point and either one of the windings. There is a
capacitor (of unknown value) between the two directional inputs. My
> latest thought was that perhaps this capacitor was faulty.

The most common reason for sluggish turning of AC motor based rotators
is, in fact, the capacitor.

The one Emotator manual for an AC motor unit I can find on-line lists
a 6.5 uF cap (for a 100V! motor).  HY-Gain, on the other hand, with a
26 V AC motor lists a 120 - 140 uF @ 50V cap.

You might be able to hang an external cap across the CW and CCW leads at
the back of the controller as a diagnostic measure (Hy-Gain's cap is in
the controller).  If the unit turns properly with the external cap, you
can leave it there until things warm up and you can open the motor unit
to determine the proper value.  For diagnosis, I's use a Hy-Gain/CDE/MFJ
cap but anything in the 100 uF/50V or higher range should work for
testing.

Looking at the waveforms on each of the inputs show that they both have sine waves (of the same amplitude) with about a 90 degree phase difference, and that this phase difference is reversed when direction
is changed.
That is correct.  However, if the cap is bad the undriven winding will
be starved for current and the rotation will be sluggish or the motor
will not be able to start.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV

On 2/9/2024 4:15 PM, Roger Parsons via TowerTalk wrote:
I have been using an Emotator rotator and 1105MS controller for quite a few 
years, generally successfully. However, for the past several years it has not 
rotated when the temperature has dropped below about -10C.

My first thought was to put in low temperature grease, especially as this had 
not been changed for many years.This made zero improvement. I then wondered if 
the connections had gone high resistance. Measurements indicated that they had 
not, although I wasn't able to measure the resistance of the connector on the 
rotator. I parallelled several wires in any case, but this also made zero 
improvement.

Information on Emotator is very sparce, but this one uses 28V AC and the 
rotator has two windings with a common point. Voltage is supplied between the 
common point and either one of the windings. There is a capacitor (of unknown 
value) between the two directional inputs. My latest thought was that perhaps 
this capacitor was faulty. Looking at the waveforms on each of the inputs show 
that they both have sine waves (of the same amplitude) with about a 90 degree 
phase difference, and that this phase difference is reversed when direction is 
changed. This seems correct to me, but I would much appreciate any other 
thoughts.

Because I've run out of ideas! Of course, I can't actually do anything about it 
for several months until Northern Ontario gets a little warmer.

73 Roger
VE3ZI




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