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Subject: [TowerTalk] FW: Re: Free standing tower advice neededT
From: ersmar@comcast.net
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:15:34 +0000
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TT:

    I believe Chris intended this for the entire reflector to see.  

Chris:

     As you can tell from my posting, I've had some experience with Trylon 
professionally as well as in my Amateur station.  They're a Canadian 
manufacturer:  http://www.trylon.com .  My 64-foot tall, self-supporting tower 
in my back yard was cost-effective for my purposes.  

73 de
Gene Smar  AD3F


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From: Chris Bolton <cbolton@gtmc.net>
To: ersmar@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Free standing tower advice neededT
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 05:22:08 +0000
> Tony
> I have built a lot of two way radio towers ranging from 70' to about 
> 450' tall. All of the towers were made by Sabre communications and they 
> are real easy to deal with and the towers are very well made. They might 
> be a little more in price but the quality so far is the best I've seen 
> yet. They also sell any mount that you might need. Here is there website 
> http://www.sabrecom.com/ I have built other towers made by other company 
> and none of there towers compare to a tower from Sabre in my opinion. 
> Please let me know which route you go. I have never heard of the tower 
> company that Gene Smar suggested. But I'm always on the look out for 
> good tower manufacturers.
> 
> 
> Chris Bolton
> 
> ersmar@comcast.net wrote:
> > Tony:
> > 
> >      We used commercial Trylon self-supporting towers for ALL of our cell 
> > sites on a project I worked on in Haiti.  I believe they are all still 
> > standing after fours hurricane seasons.  These monsters had a ground-level 
> > dimension of about 25 feet square.
> > 
> >      But assuming you don't wish to pay commercial prices, the Trylon T-500 
> > series might work, but it depends.  You'd have to do the math to determine 
> > if the planned 40M Yagi represents an excessive wind load for the 
> > structure. 
> > You can use the tool at http://www.trylon.com/lightdutytowers/towercalc.asp 
> > and give it a try.  My guess is that the T-400 series of Trylon Titans will 
> > be undersized for the loading from the wind on a 402CD, but that's just my 
> > guess.  Use the tool for a more rigorous analysis.  You might even look at 
> > a 
> > 64-foot T-600 series for a bit more load capability at a lower height.
> > 
> >      Trylon also sell rock bolts for their Titan series of towers.  These 
> > things are, I believe, five feet long and are epoxied into place.  They 
> > also 
> > sell side mounts for things like microwave dishes and - maybe - 
> > side-mounted 
> > Yagis, as well as safety rails, work platforms, etc.
> > 
> >      As you might recall, I built a T-500-64 in my back yard in 2001 and, 
> > given an opportunity, I would select Trylon for another SS here.  I had it 
> > shipped to me knocked down to save a few $ on shipping.  When it arrived, 
> > all the pieces and hardware were strapped onto a pallet five feet square. 
> > Height of the package was about a foot.  Pretty small (900+ lbs, though.) 
> > Constructing it wasn't all that difficult.  I managed to build the entire 
> > thing myself, stick-building the upper sections as I hauled up the pieces 
> > on 
> > ropes.  And it's still up in the air today, in the presence of 50 mph winds 
> > here in the DC area today.
> > 
> > 73 de
> > Gene Smar  AD3F
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "N2TK, Tony" <tony.kaz@verizon.net>
> > To: "Towertalk (E-mail)" <towertalk@contesting.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 3:44 PM
> > Subject: [TowerTalk] Free standing tower advice needed
> > 
> > 
> >> We have an opportunity at WP2Z to put up another tower. The owner of the
> >> house would like it to be free standing. We would like to put up a 70' 
> >> tower
> >> so we could raise the height of the 40M beam (Cushcraft 402CD is presently
> >> at 35'). Also it would give us a higher support for 80 and 160M wire
> >> antennas. The only experience I have had with free standing towers is the
> >> 35' aluminum Universal tower that is holding a C3E. It used to be 45' high
> >> till a hurricane several years ago came along and ripped off the top 10'
> >> along with the tribander and rotor and proceeded to deposit it in small
> >> pieces a few hundred yards away.
> >> WP2Z is at 900' - one of the highest points on the island. And we are on
> >> solid rock. So it will be fun to get a base dug. This QTH gets high winds 
> >> a
> >> lot. We have trouble keeping any kind of tribander on the one tower due to
> >> the high updraft that occurs almost every night. The new tower will be 
> >> about
> >> 100' away where the updraft doesn't typically occur.
> >>
> >> Besides the 40M beam at the top and some low band wires I would like to
> >> sidemount a couple tribanders - one fixed on US/Asia and one fixed on
> >> Europe. We would continue to use a rotating tribander on one of the other
> >> towers.
> >>
> >> My questions to the group are:
> >> - Am I foolish to try to put up a 70' free standing tower at such a
> >> location?
> >> - If not what's recommended for this kind of environment especially being 
> >> so
> >> close to salt water? I was looking at Universal Towers HD21-70, Trylon
> >> T500-72, T400-72, AN Wireless HD-70. Are these overkill or fine or
> >> substandard?
> >>
> >> I realize that during a hurricane all bets are off no matter what we can 
> >> put
> >> up that is reasonable.
> >>
> >> Tnx for any feedback. Trying to upgrade the contest station there to help
> >> especially with our low band signal. Having both towers at only 35' is not
> >> the best. Glad the owner is receptive to a new tower.
> >>
> >> 73,
> >> N2TK, Tony
> >>
> >>
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