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Re: [TowerTalk] Homebrew tower...

To: Patrick Greenlee <patrick_g@windstream.net>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Homebrew tower...
From: Chuck Dietz <w5prchuck@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 10:43:21 -0500
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If one used water pipe with extra braces, I would expect the tower to collapse 
under its own weight. I think wood would be more suitable, if it is available. 

Chuck W5PR

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> On Jun 28, 2015, at 10:39 AM, Patrick Greenlee <patrick_g@windstream.net> 
> wrote:
> 
> Galvanized water pipe is NOT very good as a strength member.  If you use it 
> you will have to make allowances to get the overall tower strength you need.  
> Braces (lattice elements) will have to be closer together than with other 
> stronger material.  This means you can not safely copy a commercially made 
> tower since your materials are not as strong as theirs.  You will need more 
> and closer lattice elements.
> 
> It has been my experience when flattening the end of a galvanized water pipe 
> by hammering it on an anvil or using a 20 ton hydraulic press that you can 
> get it to crack or split.  Heating it first and flattening while hot works.  
> There are DIY You Tube videos on making your own forge out of a scrap car or 
> truck brake drum
> 
> I wish you the best of luck with your project.  I too have a very non 
> standard tower project in process.  For a little info on that take a look at 
> QRZ.com  NJ5G  and scroll down to the pictures.
> 
> Again good luck with your project.
> 
> Patrick   NJ5G
> 
>> On 6/27/2015 11:45 AM, Douglas Ruz wrote:
>> Hello everybody !!!.
>> 
>> Thank you very much for all ideas !!!...it is amazing...i am learning a lot.
>> 
>> Let me try give more information to all of you.
>> 
>> FIRST, Bryan, WA7PRC, you are absolutely RIGHT..."Reinvent the wheel" is a 
>> trouble but i have not other choice...
>> 
>> Gerald, K5GW, yes i can get guy wires from electric power company...so, guy 
>> wires are not a problem.
>> 
>> Jim Lux, sorry, i have not a lot of pipes and ground space, so, self 
>> supporting is not possible. Guyed tower is my choice.
>> 
>> Rick, N6RK, yes, i am talking about 3/4 inch galvanized water pipe.
>> 
>> I am not the welder...I have been talking with the welder and he knows it is 
>> dangerous welding galvanized parts but he work in OPEN SPACE with a FAN to 
>> remove all gases.
>> He is also thinking use a CONTACT SOLDERING MACHINE and not a classic 
>> ELECTRIC SOLDERING MACHINE...less gases.
>> 
>> To join sections i found that using a piece of 1 inch water pipe, after 
>> "cleaning" the inside with a drill work perfect. Using bolts in both sides 
>> to join each section.
>> 
>> I am WORRY about TWO THINGS:
>> 
>> TOWER STRENGHT: Is strong enought the 3/4 inch water pipe and 5/16 bars for 
>> braces to replicate a Rohn 25G ??
>> 
>> CORROSION: Heat during welding destroy galvanized protection...i can not 
>> galvanized after welding...maybe some cold galvanizing is possible...I am 
>> worry about corrosion...maybe painting inmediately after soldering minimize 
>> corrosion.
>> 
>> I am listening (READING).
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> 73...Doug, CO8DM
>> "No creo que haya alguna emoción más intensa para un inventor que ver alguna 
>> de sus creaciones funcionando. Esa emoción hace que uno se olvide de comer, 
>> de dormir, de todo." - Nikola Tesla
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>   From: Bryan Swadener
>>   To: co8dm@frcuba.co.cu
>>   Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 2:14 AM
>>   Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Homebrew tower...
>> 
>> 
>>   Hi Douglas,
>> 
>> 
>>   IMO, it's too much trouble to "reinvent the wheel". You need to be not 
>> only the fabricator but also, structural engineer. Then, after you've 
>> designed and fabricated the parts, you'll want to hot-dip galvanize the 
>> parts so they'll last a long time.  Just save your money to buy what you 
>> want. I did exactly that.
>> 
>> 
>>   vy 73 es gl,
>>   Bryan WA7PRC
>>   http://www.tinyurl.com/wa7prc-tower
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>     Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 11:50:40 -0400
>>     From: "Douglas Ruz" <co8dm@frcuba.co.cu>
>>     To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
>>     Subject: [TowerTalk] Homebrew tower...
>> 
>>     Hello,
>> 
>>     I would like a tower in my property but i can not buy a Rohn or any 
>> other tower, so, I WILL BUILD ONE...or will try build one.
>> 
>>     I have many galvanized tubes, 7 ft long, 1 1/32 inch diameter and 1/8 
>> inch wall.
>> 
>>     I have been reading dimensions of Rohn 25G and 45G...i like 25G.
>> 
>>     My goals are:
>>     -Reach about 50 ft high.
>>     -Install a rotator.
>>     -Install a lightweight tribander yagi (maybe an spiderbeam), a 6m yagi 
>> (5 elem) and maybe 2 elem moxon for 40m...I know 50ft is not OK for a 40m 
>> antenna but my anchor points are to close, so, i can not install a higher 
>> tower.
>> 
>>     I have another important questions...it is about GUY LINES...what is the 
>> cheapest guy line solution ???
>> 
>>     73....Douglas, CO8DM
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