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Re: [TowerTalk] Cage dipole revisited.

To: "Rick Stealey" <rstealey@hotmail.com>, <towertalk@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Cage dipole revisited.
From: "Bill Aycock" <baycock@centurytel.net>
Reply-to: Bill Aycock <baycock@centurytel.net>
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 11:32:38 -0500
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Rick- I"m sorry I sounded so strident, but this subject has progressively 
wandered astray. The subject started about a particular cage being hyped as 
having 5db gain over a reference Dipole AS TESTED.  A cage is not the 
question; HIS cage is. (To me).
I agree that your results are interesting (I hope to apply the idea) but 
people are introducing dBi, dBd , analysis (undefined) and the classic 
"Ordinary NEC wont work with my special invention", which is the point of 
his claim.
I may try to model it myself (next week) because I would still like to see 
for myself. His product (without hype) looks like a fair buy.
73-Bill-W4BSG

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick Stealey" <rstealey@hotmail.com>
To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 8:09 AM
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Cage dipole revisited.


>
>
>> Why introduce this into this thread? The models you mention do not 
>> resemble
>> the Cage dipole, so why?
>
> Hi Bill,
> I don't agree.  In fact I believe the models I built DO STRONGLY resemble 
> a cage,
> give the same benefit, without the physical difficulties of building a 
> traditional cage.
> What is a traditional cage but several parallel wires, fed at the same 
> point?
> They may be connected together at the far end, but that's not really 
> necessary
> since the voltage there is the same for each element of the cage, so the
> individual wires can be separated with no effect on the antenna.
> An antenna experimenter may start with a single wire dipole, then add one 
> wire
> in parallel with it, then additional ones to build a cage.  Or (as I 
> discovered) take
> the second wire and drop it down at a 10 degree angle and get nearly the 
> same
> result.  My 2nd model was three wires separated 1 meter apart, but I
> confess were not joined at the far end.  However I believe that is a very
> strong resemblance to a traditional cage.
> Maybe I should put in my post with a different subject so those who are
> interested in discussing pure, 100 % tradional cage antennas, wouldn't be
> tainted by considering alternatives.
> But for those who would like to have
> - an antenna that covers 3500 to 3800 with a 2:1 SWR,
> - with extremely low cost and
> - less than an hours work, and
> - always wanted to have a cage,
> Then here it is.
>
> By the way, I happen to be one of those guys, like you, who hate to
> see off topic posts.  In this case however, I believe my post was right
> on-topic.  However I am going to do as I mentioned above and start a
> new thread, and invite anyone who wants to comment on or contribute to
> cage antenna alternatives to participate there.
>
> Rick  K2XT
>
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