Me too, 15 months in Goose Bay, Labrador while in the USAF. It was an Article
15 offense if you were seen running when the wind chill factor reached -50 or
so. We had two antennas at the MARS station, VO2HA. A Mosley tri-bander and a
two element quad. Both survived the winter I was there, much to our surprise.
Barry - W1HFN
ex - K3IWW / VO2
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 07:34:47 -0600
From: "Patrick Greenlee" <patrick_g@windstream.net>
To: garyk9gs@wi.rr.com, towertalk@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] [MWA] OH8X 80-160 monster tower collapses
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In hot rod parlance it would be, "If it won't go, chrome it!"{
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From: Gary K9GS
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 8:37 PM
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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] [MWA] OH8X 80-160 monster tower collapses
On 12/10/2013 8:31 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote:
> It almost seemed decisions were made for reasons other than engineering.
>
> Rick N6RK
>
I've always thought the same thing. There's a bit of chest puffing if
you can say that you have a 3 ele Yagi at 330 ft...on 160M. Certainly
nothing wrong with that.
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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 09:09:14 -0500 (EST)
From: K7LXC@aol.com
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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Antenna Arrays Vol 3 Published !
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Howdy, TowerTalkians --
FYI.
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Steve K7LXC
> Antenna Arrays - Volume 3 just released in time for Christmas!
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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 08:20:35 -0600
From: "Patrick Greenlee" <patrick_g@windstream.net>
To: "Tower Talk" <towertalk@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] OH8X 80-160 monster tower collapses
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Duty at Minot, Loring, Thule, etc. gave a whole new meaning to "Cold
Warrior!"
At Minot AFB the lowest temp I was out in was -47F, not wind chill, straight
thermometer. Minus 40 was routine. Wind chill was reported on the base's
dial up weather report as the time on average it took for exposed flesh to
freeze. They reported this down to 10 seconds and then just reported it as
less than 10 seconds. One of our hi-pri considerations was NOT exposing
flesh.
After leaving the USAF and heading south as far as I could go and not leave
the country I went to San Diego State University and during a real cold snap
there was a very light snow, just a few small flakes. Everyone in my
calculus class including the instructor, EXCEPT ME ran to the window in awe
to see show. Having just left a 3 winter tour in Minot I was not impressed.
Patrick NJ5G
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Schaaf
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 8:06 PM
To: Roger D Johnson ; Tower Talk
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] OH8X 80-160 monster tower collapses
Roger
I spent time at Loring AFB working ECM on B-52s. Late 70s, following a hot
humid tour in Thailand.
Winter was typically -20 deg with wind chills down to -65 and one night down
to -109 deg. Flight line work was not pleasant at those temps.
Took nearly all summer for the mountain of plowed snow in the parking lot to
melt.
SAC Sucks !
Best Regards
Dan Schaaf
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-----Original Message-----
From: Roger D Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 7:38 PM
To: Tower Talk
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] OH8X 80-160 monster tower collapses
Sounds about par for Loring AFB in Caribou, Me. My last CG duty station was
the
LORAN station in Caribou. They have WINTER up there!
73, Roger
On 12/10/2013 3:46 PM, Patrick Greenlee wrote:
> Dick, The answer is Minot Air Force Base, Minot, North Dakota
>
> Been there, done that for 3 consecutive years. I know a couple radio
> intercept operators, one Morse and one non-Morse who came down from
> Elmendorf AFB, Alaska (Anchorage) and when they experienced the onset of
> winter at Minot and the -40 and worse temps wanted to go back to Alaska
> because the climate was milder.
>
> Our Thule, Greenland base is where you go to fined worse climate than
> Minot. (not much worse.)
>
> Patrick NJ5G
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Richard Solomon
> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 11:01 AM
> To: Tower Talk
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] OH8X 80-160 monster tower collapses
>
> If you mess up in the military, they ship you off to the Arctic ...
> but if you mess up in the Arctic, where do they send you ??
>
> HI HI
>
> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
>
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 09:59:57 -0500
From: john@kk9a.com
To: towertalk@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] [MWA] OH8X 80-160 monster tower collapses
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I obviously meant to type 100m tower.
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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] [MWA] OH8X 80-160 monster tower collapses
From: john@kk9a.com
Date: Wed, December 11, 2013 8:01 am
To: towertalk@contesting.com
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It is possible that the 80m beam was too high plus a 2 over 2 array is a
very good antenna. I am sure that they learned a lot about low band
propagating using this monster system. Radio Arcala is an extreme station
with a great mission of giving young hams a place to operate. It took
tremendous effort to assemble these antenna on top of the 300m tower, it
has to be heartbreaking for everyone involve to see it quickly destroyed.
John KK9A
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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] [MWA] OH8X 80-160 monster tower collapses
From: Jan Erik Holm <sm2ekm@bdtv.se>
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 07:21:55 +0100
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On 2013-12-10 15:43, john@kk9a.com wrote:
I wonder how well the 160m yagi worked compared to a large vertical array.
John KK9A
It might not have been a very good performer, at least there was
a lot of rumors. They also had a vertical 4 SQ array and as I
understand it it was better.
Also there is questions about the 80m 5 el, they also had a 2/2
80m Yagi stack and it seems that they usually used that one.
73 Jim SM2EKM
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