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Re: [TowerTalk] Beverage impedance change in cold WX solved

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Beverage impedance change in cold WX solved
From: Michael Tope <W4EF@dellroy.com>
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2020 17:50:40 -0800
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Steve,

Have you eliminated the core material in the 9:1 transformer as a possible source of the problem?

I don't see how the resistance of the galvanized wire changes the surge impedance significantly. When viewing the beverage as a transmission line (single round conductor over ground plane), I would expect the distributed resistance of the steel wire would to make the transmission line loss/unit length higher, but other than adding a slightly reactive component to the characteristic impedance, the steel wire resistance change shouldn't make the real component of the transmission line characteristic impedance change much.

73, Mike W4EF...............

On 1/21/2020 3:55 PM, VE6WZ_Steve wrote:
A few days ago I posted a video explaining some experiments I did adding short 
radials to my feed and termination grounds on the Beverage.
During that week temperatures went as low as -41 C at the station.

The mystery has been solved.

I wondered if the frozen ground was limiting conductivity and upsetting the 
ground resistance part of the impedance. The experiments showed that adding 
radials to stabilize the frozen ground had no effect.

In the video I show how the real resistance of the 920 foot galvanized steel 
wire might drop 10-20 Ohms when the temperature drops 50 deg C from the 
summertime.  This would mean that I need a LOWER termination resistor to match 
the surge impedance.
However, I also show that the ceramic termination resistor I use has a very 
high negative temperature coefficient (-1300 C). This results in an INCREASE of 
 30 to 40 ohms in my 470 Ohm termination resistor.  Therefore, the termination 
could be 40 to 60 Ohms too low!!  I show in the video that the resistor does 
indeed increase by 40 Ohms when I chucked it out my back door at -30C for an 
hour.

Today I was at the remote and it has warmed up to -1C (35 deg C warmer) and the 
analyzer sweep of the wire has mostly returned to it summer time reading.

This seems to indicate that the main cause of the Beverage miss match is the 
temperature coefficient of the wire and the termination resistor. Obviously the ground 
is still just as frozen today as it was last week at the feed and termination and 
under the wire length!  Perhaps I will look into changing the term resistor with a 
metal foil unit that has a positive temperature coefficient.  Carbon composition units 
also have a negative TC, but not as severe as the ceramic units.  Those ceramic units 
are almost like thermistors! (well….not really)

However, as I said in the video, this is like a “solution looking for a 
problem” because few Hams experience these extreme temperature changes, and even when 
we do, it's just for a short time.  Also, Beverage modelling shows that the termination 
resistor can effect the F/B, but it has limited effect on the RDF which is what really 
matters.  This exercise was done mostly out of interest and to try and solve the puzzle.

I made a new video showing the sweeps I made today if interested.  The video 
includes the original content so if you've seem that just jump to the end.

YouTube video here: https://youtu.be/3Oft826Q8tA <https://youtu.be/3Oft826Q8tA>



73, de steve ve6wz
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