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Re: [TowerTalk] Mystery Hy-Gain tribander

To: AA6DX <aa6dx@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Mystery Hy-Gain tribander
From: "Alan C. Zack" <k7acz@cox.net>
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 00:00:35 -0700
List-post: <mailto:towertalk@contesting.com>
I'm talking about a TA-33.  No one has mentioned a Classic except for you.  Read
MY postings that you are referring to......

AA6DX wrote:

> Sorry, Alan .. have to disagree with you.  You did not scope out my
> posting..   Here the Mosely company is talking about their  TRAP MASTER
> beams... not their  CLASSIC!   Actually, I agree with what you posted as to
> the way to hook up a yagi, BUT   IF  you are talking about the CLASSIC
> design, you are "wrongo" .. AND, I have used those type in VA, CA, and AK ..
> When you stuff an insulated  waaarrr down the driven element, without any
> mechanical connection, your hypthesis is nil....
> Hey .. did you know Jack, KW6EJ?   He and I chatted nightly on 2ØM, etc. in
> the late 60s.... I hadda job in hand, the commisary at Wake Island, but XYL
> did not want to move there with the two daughters, ready to enter school.
>    Please don't confuse what I posted with what others typed!
> Mark .. AA6DX
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan C. Zack" <k7acz@cox.net>
> To: "AA6DX" <aa6dx@pacbell.net>
> Cc: "J.Hector Garcia M" <Hector@telecom1.net>; <towertalk@contesting.com>;
> "Randy" <rlake@webryders.net>; "Scott R." <w4pa@yahoo.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 2:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Mystery Hy-Gain tribander
>
> Mark,
> I have to disagree with you.  Below is the direct quote from the Mosley web
> site
> FAQ page:
> http://www.mosley-electronics.com/faq.htm
> Besides my using a Mosley at home they were used at most of the Coast Guard
> LORAN stations at Kure, Wake, Johnston, Yap, Marcus, Palau, etc, etc. where
> I
> would operate from.
>
> FEED SYSTEMS - THE SIMPLER, THE BETTER!
>         Despite popular belief, linear radiators, normally employed in 2 and
> 3
> element
>         parasitic arrays, have a driving point impedance of close to 52 ohms
> when open at
>         the center. To feed such a radiator it is only necessary to connect
> a 52
> ohm line at
>         this point to achieve the best possible match of line to antenna.
>
>         However, because of certain design characteristics, some beam
> antennas
> require
>         elaborate and, sometime, unstable matching devices such as Gamma or
> T-Match
>         systems or variations of these systems. Such devices are usually
> difficult to adjust
>         and to maintain in adjustment when used in multi-band beams.
>
>         MOSLEY TRAP MASTER beams, however, are so designed as to not require
>         any unwieldy matching arrangements. This beam is fed by connecting
> the
> line
>         directly to the open center of the radiator. Thus, an excellent
> match is
> achieved
>         over the entire width of each Ham band resulting in extremely low
> SWR
> near
>         resonant frequencies of each band and the ability to range from one
> end
> of the
>         band to the other without excessive SWR.
>
>         By eliminating such matching devices, MOSLEY TRAP MASTER beams
> provide
>         their users with stable and dependable operation without the
> necessity
> of frequent
>         trips to the roof or up the tower to make readjustment.
>
> As I stated previously my Mosley was designed to connect a split lead coax
> directly to the driven element but I decided to use a 1:1 balun.
>
> AA6DX wrote:
>
> > The Mosely yagis often are(?)/were capacitive fed ... their "Classic"
> > series.  No hard wired connection to the driven element. That created an
> > "unusual" situation, where the driven element is longer than the
> reflector!
> > Defeating a Classic system by connecting the coaxial cable directly to the
> > driven would be a no-no, as would any other means of feeding, without
> proper
> > engineering.   Note .. no all Mosely's are/were "Classic" .. I have had
> > several that were, including my 2ØM monobander, w/46' boom ... worky
> > worky...   and, at one time, a Classic 36   .. Mark----  AA6DX
> >
> >  Original Message -----
> > From: "Alan C. Zack" <k7acz@cox.net>
> > To: "Randy" <rlake@webryders.net>
> > Cc: "J.Hector Garcia M" <Hector@telecom1.net>; <towertalk@contesting.com>;
> > "Scott R." <w4pa@yahoo.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 1:22 PM
> > Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Mystery Hy-Gain tribander
> >
> > > Scott said there was no matching devices on the yagi.  You say the
> SYS-36
> > has a
> > > hairpin matching device.  I have a Mosley TA-33 that sounds very much
> like
> > what
> > > Scott is describing.  I'd suggest checking out:
> > > http://www.mosley-electronics.com/amateur.htm
> > > and seeing if what he has matches any of the Mosley yagis.
> > >
> > > Randy wrote:
> > >
> > > > My guess would be a Wilson SYS-33....try to find some pics on the
> net..
> > > > I have a SYS36 - 1 trap on the driven ele.but I have a hairpin on the
> > boom
> > > > attached to the DE.
> > > > Good luck
> > > > Randy N1KWF
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Alan C. Zack" <k7acz@cox.net>
> > > > To: "J.Hector Garcia M" <Hector@telecom1.net>
> > > > Cc: <towertalk@contesting.com>; "Scott R." <w4pa@yahoo.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 2:21 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Mystery Hy-Gain tribander
> > > >
> > > > > I agree with J. Hector.  A Mosley usually has one trap per element
> > leg,
> > > > where Cushcraft and Hy-Gain have two.  And Mosley has a direct
> > connection to
> > > > the driven element, no matching devices,
> > > > > but I usually use a balun.
> > > > > 73
> > > > >
> > > > > "J.Hector Garcia M" wrote:

--
__________________________________________________________________________
 Alan Zack
 Amateur Radio Station K7ACZ
 Las Vegas, Nevada, USA
 Quality Engineer, The Boeing Company, Retired
 Aviation Chief Warrant Officer, U.S. Coast Guard, Retired
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 Every hour, Every day, Around the Clock and Around the World
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