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Re: [TowerTalk] Whole house surge protectors

To: garyschafer@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Whole house surge protectors
From: Joe Giacobello <k2xx@swva.net>
Reply-to: k2xx@swva.net
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 19:17:11 -0400
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Amazing!

Gary Schafer wrote:

>Some may be surprised upon opening up one of those whole house 
>protectors to find that most are nothing more than a can filled with 
>sand and a heavy duty spark gap inside. The sand is there to quench the 
>arc after the surge is over. They do work though.
>
>73
>Gary  K4FMX
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>Jim Brown wrote:
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>>On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 14:52:11 -0500, Dave NØRQ wrote:
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>>>I've never had a problem with it -- no RFI from it, and it has never acted 
>>>up, even with 1kw of RF quite close to it.  Nor have I had any equipment
>>>damanged by lightning -- 
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>>>
>>It's important to understand what these devices do. These "whole house" 
>>units are simply BIG MOV's that attempt to conduct the surge to "short it 
>>out." In doing so, it must GO somewhere -- that is, current flows in some 
>>complete path. Remember that the neutral is bonded to ground at the service 
>>entrance, so there is no need for a protector between neutral and ground. A 
>>line to ground protector conducts the surge to ground, so when a surge hits, 
>>it will raise the potential of the safety ground (and neutral bus) by an 
>>amount equal to the IZ drop between the panel and whatever lightning thinks 
>>"earth" is. When you say "line-to-line," I assume you mean across the 240 
>>volt secondary of a 120-0-120 circuit.  
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>>>but then, all the electronics plug 
>>>into "real" lightning protectors (usually TrippLite) before plugging
>>>into the wall
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>>>
>>Your definition of "real" in this case is flawed. Nearly all AC line 
>>"lightning protectors" are nothing more than MOV's connected as noted above. 
>>When they take a hit, they shove the surge into the equipment ground wire at 
>>the outlet where they are plugged in, raising the potential at that outlet 
>>in the presence of a surge. If equipment plugged into a "protected outlet" 
>>is connected by low voltage wiring to equipment plugged into another un-
>>protected outlet, or even a DIFFERENT protected outlet, there can be large 
>>potential difference between outlets that can blow up equipment. Thus, 
>>typical power-strip MOV protectors are NOT "real" protectors. 
>>
>>The "real thing" includes 1) a good whole house protector and/or 2) a 
>>SERIES-mode protector like those that SurgeX makes. I use SurgeX boxes, and 
>>plan to add a "whole house" unit at the service entrance. 
>>
>>And, as has been pointed out on several occasions, it is critical that other 
>>lines (telco, antennas, etc.)that can bring lightning into the house be 
>>bonde and/or protected AT THE SAME POINT as the power line. Tom Rauch has 
>>pounded on this for quite a while, and he is right on. That's often a lot 
>>more difficult in some installations, but it's the right way to do it. 
>>
>>Jim Brown  K9YC
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