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Re: [TowerTalk] Modeling over ground was: Re: H frame for 10 or 15m

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Modeling over ground was: Re: H frame for 10 or 15m
From: David Gilbert <xdavid@cis-broadband.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:15:00 -0700
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I strongly suspect that for flat or uphill sloping terrain that it isn't 
necessary to carry the terrain profile out very far, and 3,000 meters 
may be fine for that.  I live on terrain with a rather significant slope 
to the east (about 15% for several hundred meters and then 4-6% for 
about 7 miles after that), however, and HFTA definitely shows the effect 
of a mountain range at least 15 miles away.  That would seem to make 
intuitive sense ... a terrain feature that far away wouldn't show up on 
HFTA if you didn't have a very low takeoff angle to begin with.

73,
Dave  AB7E



On 8/16/2011 12:34 PM, Pete Smith wrote:
> Jim, I always test results in HFTA, and compare the theoretical patterns
> over flat ground with my actuals.  I also use MultiNEC for modeling
> (wish I had the NEC4 engine, but hey...), and where appropriate I apply
> the notches and reinforcements from HFTA to the MultiNEC patterns.  My
> terrain is relatively flat, though, so I feel comfortable not carrying
> my terrain profiles out over 3000 meters.
>
> 73, Pete N4ZR
>
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> On 8/16/2011 11:55 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
>> On 8/16/2011 7:35 AM, Pete Smith wrote:
>>> For example, if I model against
>>> ground, and put the antennas at heights of 50 and 100 feet, my 14 MHz
>>> vertical pattern is very broad and clean, with no second lobe below 35
>>> degrees or so.
>> Don't forget that all of this can be QUITE dependent on the terrain in
>> the region up to at least five miles from your antenna.  N6BV's HFTA
>> software allows us to model this, using data readily available on the
>> internet.  That software comes with the ARRL Antenna Book, and is worth
>> the cost of the book.
>>
>> 73, Jim Brown K9YC
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