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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] AES SK
From: David Gilbert <xdavid@cis-broadband.com>
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 12:55:34 -0700
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That's a bit simplistic. I spent over 30 years working for a huge North American based semiconductor company, and there were a variety of reasons we ended up moving most manufacturing elsewhere. Labor cost was certainly one of them, but rarely the deciding factor. Others included:

1. Availability of trained engineers. Places like China and India have a far greater pool of highly skilled and dedicated engineers, and engineers in the U.S. tended to think of manufacturing as being "unglamorous."

2. Proximity to local markets. As the world economy became more global, being able to be closer to your customer had tremendous advantages in terms of customer relationships and cycle time reductions, not to mention trade (many countries lower tax rates for local content) and currency issues.

3. Bureaucracy and overhead issues. At one point we wanted to significantly expand a wafer fab locally, but were told by the city that it would take at least 18 months simply to get the approvals for it ... in spite of the fact that we had already proposed every safety and environmental upgrade imaginable for it. Markets don't wait for that kind of crap, and we ended up having to build the fab offshore where some other entity actually wanted it.

Other industries faced different issues ... tax burdens in the U.S., ridiculous union requirements (much less of an issue now, of course, at least in most places), availability of raw materials, etc. The problem as many of us recognized even back then was that once such manufacturing migrations begin they are very difficult to curb. How many colleges and universities in North America offer engineering courses specifically geared toward manufacturing? Damn few, if any. In Asia they are everywhere. Compare tax rates. Compare transportation costs to major markets (North America is no longer the only one).

The list of reasons why such "big box" products are built elsewhere is almost endless, and while it may be convenient to blame the manufacturers for that it is simply scapegoating. Consumers who tend to buy the cheapest available product regardless of quality (and they are still the majority, to which I can attest having worked for a while at a big box store) share the blame, as do most other elements of the economic system that ignored cost and efficiency in favor of other factors. I'd even bet that your own investment funds lie with companies that make as much profit as possible, as opposed to some company that tried to fight the system by paying higher wages, paying higher taxes, training it's own engineers, paying higher transportation costs ... etc, etc, etc.

Manufacturers mostly follow ... they don't really lead the parade. I can say with great experience that moving manufacturing offshore is one of the riskiest, most traumatic actions a manufacturer can take. It doesn't happen without significant outside pressure from one place or another.

73,

Dave  AB7E



On 7/7/2016 8:56 AM, Kelly Taylor wrote:
A funny, though harrowing, tale of everything that’s wrong with the two 
dominant North American first-world economies:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKv6RcXa2UI 
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKv6RcXa2UI>

“Oh Big Box Mart, what have you sold to me? We used to be your customers, now we’re 
your employees.”

The pigeons of off-shore labour have come home to roost, and we’re seeing 
increasing examples of the folly every day.

73, kelly, ve4xt,





On Jul 7, 2016, at 10:43 AM, ScottW3TX <scottw3tx@verizon.net> wrote:

Most brick and mortar stores run on very thin profit margins that are
getting squeezed smaller and smaller in this new economy shift. Costs
(especially health insurance, regulatory, and base services to keep the
doors open), are going up at 8 to 12% per year. Meanwhile competition does
not allow for the final seller of products or service to raise prices.
There are no longer excess profits in smaller businesses to fund owner and
employee retirement plans. Therefore there is rarely any "goodwill" or
"blue-sky" value in the sale. Just inventory (if it is sellable) and real
estate.

The bigger picture is what will happen to amateur radio sales companies?
The trend is that the smaller, niche companies are either closing down or
selling to the two dominant buyers.

Is such consolidation good for the future of amateur radio?

What happens when MFJ or DXE go up for sale?  Most likely the only
potential buyers will be publicly traded companies that have less interest
in the customer than the current stake-holders that are active amateur
radio operators themselves.  And will there even be a buy when one factors
in the demographics?

When I took my 13 year old son to the DX Dinner at Dayton this year he was
probably the youngest person there. I was probably the second youngest
(49).

Unless amateur radio quickly and effectively figures out how to connect
itself into the STEM and Programming wave I fear that Nathan and I will be
the only guys at the DX Dinner someday.

At least he and I will have darn good antennas :)

73, Scott W3TX



On 7/7/16 11:24 AM, "Alan NV8A" <nv8a@charter.net> wrote:

I have been surprised at the number of local businesses that are simply
shut down when the owner decides to retire: they have a "going out of
business sale," and that's it. I would have expected them to sell the
business -- with its "good will" -- as a going concern.

73

Alan NV8A


On 07/07/2016 07:21 AM, Chuck Gooden wrote:
I would of expected that, the company would be up for sale to someone
that would be interested in keeping ham radio alive.  So I am waiting
until I see an official notice.

Chuck Gooden N9QBT


On 7/6/2016 4:57 PM, K7LXC--- via TowerTalk wrote:
I just got an email from the sales manager of AES  that they're
closing the
doors at the end of the month. Hard to believe since  they used to be
one
of two 800 pound gorillas in the ham market. Apparently  stuff happens.


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