And remember, the economy is slow. Be sure to find a hungry excavator that
needs work. You may be able to save some money. Of find someone working in
your area, that way the move in and move out costs can be less.
73
Jim W7RY
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From: "Mark Robinson" <markrob@mindspring.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 7:47 AM
To: "Jim Wright" <ham.ks4o@gmail.com>; <TowerTalk@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] DIGGING A HOLE WITH A BACKHOE
> Yes my operator digs footings for a living with his Bobcat. The holes that
> he dug were nearly perfect and the pile of excavated soil was placed just
> where I wanted it. Sure beats dragging a digger home from a rental store
> and
> learning how to use it.
>
>
> Mark N1UK
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Wright" <ham.ks4o@gmail.com>
> To: <TowerTalk@contesting.com>
> Sent: Saturday, 07 May, 2011 10:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] DIGGING A HOLE WITH A BACKHOE
>
>
>> You need a backhoe operator with the right skills. I know from limited
>> backhoe experience that I don't have the skill to dig a trench, let alone
>> a
>> rectangular hole. The guys who plant septic tanks are the best I've seen
>> at
>> digging rectangular holes. And as Mark says, they can be amazingly fast
>> at
>> doing what they do every day.
>>
>> -jim KS4O
>>
>> On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Mark Robinson
>> <markrob@mindspring.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I called a guy in the morning, he was out that afternoon and dug three
>>> nearly perfect 4 x 6 by 4 foot deep holes for $150 and was gone in about
>>> an
>>> hour. Compare that to hiring a digger, getting it home, digging the hole
>>> and
>>> taking the digger back.
>>>
>>> You need a digger with a small bucket to get an accurate hole.
>>>
>>> Mark N1UK
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Dick Dievendorff" <dieven@comcast.net>
>>> To: "'Jack Brindle'" <jackbrindle@me.com>; "'STEVE LANE'"
>>> <steve.lane@dishmail.net>
>>> Cc: <towertalk@contesting.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, 07 May, 2011 8:48 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] DIGGING A HOLE WITH A BACKHOE
>>>
>>>
>>> > Although most of us can rent an excavator at a rental place and learn
>>> > the
>>> > basics in a short while, this reminds me of getting your college
>>> > buddies
>>> > to
>>> > help move furniture - it might be quite expensive.
>>> >
>>> > I'd suggest that hiring someone who operates an excavator for a living
>>> > might
>>> > be a good investment.
>>> >
>>> > Some of these guys (and you need to find the right one) are real
>>> > artists,
>>> > and can be in and out of there in a hurry and can make the hole just
>>> > the
>>> > size and shape you ask for.
>>> >
>>> > You or I wouldn't be able to do that on our first try. We'd take more
>>> > time,
>>> > spend more for the additional concrete required to fill the larger
>>> > hole,
>>> > and
>>> > the end result wouldn't be nearly as neat.
>>> >
>>> > It might be fun to drive the machine. But I wouldn't rent one to save
>>> > money.
>>> > The margin at equipment rental places is necessarily quite high, given
>>> the
>>> > skills of the range of people that will operate the machinery and the
>>> fact
>>> > that much of the equipment sits idle a lot of the time. They have to
>>> > recover
>>> > the cost of the machine pretty quickly.
>>> >
>>> > I'd rather hire a guy that knows what he's doing with his machine.
>>> >
>>> > Dick, K6KR
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com
>>> > [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Jack Brindle
>>> > Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 9:50 PM
>>> > To: STEVE LANE
>>> > Cc: towertalk@contesting.com
>>> > Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] DIGGING A HOLE WITH A BACKHOE
>>> >
>>> > What kind of quotes are you getting?
>>> >
>>> > This has been a very enlightening (and encouraging) discussion!
>>> > Perhaps
>>> > this
>>> > is the year my Rohn 25 moves from the garage to the back yard and goes
>>> > vertical...
>>> >
>>> > Jack Brindle, W6FB
>>> >
>>> > On May 6, 2011, at 9:21 PM, STEVE LANE wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> That's why I mentioned it. I have been pricing the rental equipment
>>> >> in
>>> >> my area and think I can do it pretty cheap.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 8:44 PM, Wes Attaway (N5WA)
>>> >> <wesattaway@bellsouth.net
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Well, you will get a 36" diameter hole. It should be pretty
>>> >>> accurate. You will have to spread all the dirt somewhere.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> ------------------- Wes Attaway (N5WA) ------------------
>>> >>> 1138 Waters Edge Circle, Shreveport, LA 71106
>>> >>> 318-797-4972 (Office) - 318-393-3289 (Cell)
>>> >>> Computer Consulting and Forensics
>>> >>> -------------- EnCase Certified Examiner ---------------
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>>> >>> From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com
>>> >>> [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of STEVE LANE
>>> >>> Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 10:16 PM
>>> >>> To: towertalk@contesting.com
>>> >>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] DIGGING A HOLE WITH A BACKHOE
>>> >>>
>>> >>> What about using an auger? I am getting ready to put up my w51 and
>>> >>> have been thinking about using a 36 inch auger to bore a hole 5-6
>>> >>> feet deep.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Steve K9SL
>>> >>> \
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Al Williams <alwilliams@olywa.net>
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>>> From: "Dick Green WC1M" <wc1m73@gmail.com>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> SNIP
>>> >>>>> As many have noted, it's hard to dig a perfect hole with a backhoe
>>> >>>>> or excavator. The hole always ends up larger than intended,
>>> >>>>> especially
>>> >>> after
>>> >>>>> you get in and square it up with a shovel. The pier wound up
>>> >>>>> closer
>>> >>>>> to 4'x4'x6' and was more trapezoidal than rectangular (i.e., wider
>>> >>>>> at the
>>> >>>>> base.)
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> 1. Whys square the hole with a shovel? The only need might be
>>> >>>> to
>>> >>> square
>>> >>>> up the visible part above the hole!
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> 2. "...wider at the base."? I only have maybe 50 hours using my
>>> > small
>>> >>>> BX22 backhoe but thats enough to know that the holes are always
>>> >>>> "wider at the top of the hole". This is because most backholes have
>>> >>>> two arms; the first attached to the low base of the tractor the arm
>>> >>>> then
>>> > tilts up.
>>> >>>> The second arm attaches to the end of the first arm and tilts down
>>> >>>> to the ground. It is difficult to get the outer arm's bucket deep
>>> >>>> without the inner arm hitting the ground
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Digging a straight down hole requires a lot of coordinated tractor
>>> >>>> moving toward/away from the hole while also changing both arm
>>> >>>> angles.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> 3. Readers contemplating having a deep, straight sided hole dug
>>> > should
>>> >>>> find a contractor with a backhoe that has a telescoping/sliding arm
>>> >>> mounted
>>> >>>> on the second (outer arm). This telescoping arm can dig straight
>>> >>>> vertical holes 8 or more feet deep.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> k7puc
>>> >>>>
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