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Re: [TowerTalk] Verticals on sloping ground

To: jim@audiosystemsgroup.com
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Verticals on sloping ground
From: David Gilbert <ab7echo@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2025 14:38:58 -0700
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That's a very good point.  The soil even on my own four acre lot is HIGHLY variable, and I know that for a fact because there is a deep ravine running across a portion of it. The variation in the composition (soil versus rock formations of all kinds) is pretty amazing.

I have also compared HFTA plots for various distances from my home.  There is a mountain range about 15 miles east of me and the HFTA results vary significantly whether I include that range or not in the terrain file.

So yeah, since there is a river in between I doubt whether it would be possible to ever get accurate soil data for that kind of range.

By the way, I have also used my drone to plot an antenna pattern, albeit it was for a 5 element wire log periodic antenna tilted upward at a steep angle for radio astronomy purposes.  It's not difficult to put a small transmitter on the drone with a short antenna, and the GPS position reporting capability of a decent modern drone lets you know where it is accurately enough to get worthwhile data.

Dave   AB7E



On 1/14/2025 1:42 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
On 1/14/2025 12:12 PM, David Gilbert wrote:
I suspect that professional modeling software like FEKO can do the job, although I've never tried to learn it.  It does have a free version for individual use.

Yes and no. Dean told me that in our mountains, we should have data out as far as practical (don't remember the distance he suggested). In my experience, the result is as good as the accuracy of the model. Vertically polarized antenna performance is quite dependent on soil characteristics, whereas horizontally polarized antennas are not. Having good data for soil would be an additional factor limiting accuracy.

That doesn't mean it isn't worth trying. :)

N6BT took his test antenna to a mesa, set it up at various locations, and probed the pattern using a drone. Then setting up a rig (probably QRP) feeding the antenna close to the edge of the mesa, he worked stations only in the direction of the drop-off, repeating for multiple directions, and none in the center.
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