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Re: [TowerTalk] Hydrogen Embrittlement

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Hydrogen Embrittlement
From: "Mark ." <n1lo@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 13:10:29 -0500
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Thank you, Scott. I'm adding your comments to a file I keep on metals 
processing.

--...MARK_N1LO...--

Scott, kb0fhp, writes:

<<These alloys are susceptable to hydrogen embrittlement.  But the black 
oxide process (hot) involves the immersion in a series of caustic salts at 
295F.  Essentially, the caustic (NaOH) reacts with the iron surface creating 
an adherant iron oxide (typically Fe3O4-magnetite).  This reaction releases 
hydrogen at the surface of the steel. However, there may be inhibitors or 
other stuff in the hot bath that would not cause the formation of hydrogen - 
similar to the low hydrogen form of cadmium plating.  If you suspect 
hydrogen embrittlement, the best thing to do is to do a hydrogen 
embrittlement stress-relief for 24 hours at 325-375F.
>
>I tried looking up some information on stress-relief after black-oxide 
>coating, but was not able to readily find it.  I would ask your black-oxide 
>supplier technical people.  They love questions like that..... Scott >>
>
>-------------- Original message --------------
>
> > Thank you, Scott, for that excellent and learned summary of hydrogen
> > embrittlement!
> >
> > In my work, I make many custom tools, typically from AISI D2 and A2 tool
> > steels, at hardnesses typically from Rc45 to Rc55. However, I usually 
>don't
> > have them plated (The Gov't tends to shy away from the toxic 
>entanglements
> > of CAD plating) and few have weldments. At these hardnesses, steels tend 
>to
> > be more brittle even without secondary effects.
> > I do frequently use black oxide coating (hot process). Will black 
>oxiding
> > encourage the hydrogen embrittlement effect?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > --...MARK_N1LO...--


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