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Re: [TowerTalk] Stacking offset compensation

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Stacking offset compensation
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@k0xp.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2023 09:37:08 -0800
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Ed, which way did you model it: fore-and-aft, or did you also model side-to-side??

It seems intuitive that if the offset is side-to-side (STS), then the main distortion would be the main lobe would decrease somewhat and be offset to one side, while the number of major sidelobes increased, as well as their amplitudes. The total amount of energy within a pattern must remain the same; so when you subtract energy from the main lobe, that energy gets added elsewhere into the sidelobes or even backlobes.

OTOH, fore-and-aft (FAA) offset would probably result in a shallower main lobe with rising major sidelobes on each side; i.e., the pattern gets "split" into a pair of mainlobes with a notch in between.

I would think that one can physically-simulate FAA offset by changing the phasing between a pair of aligned yagis. The amplitude would, of course, remain the same for both. Thus, it may well be possible to compensate for FAA offset by changing the phasing between the arrays (this presumes that there is very little interaction between the two yagis). It should be possible to calculate the necessary phasing line or L-C circuit parameters; but how to do so is quite beyond my abilities to comprehend 8-)

And if you have both FAA and STS offsetting, then you wind up with a complex offset starburst pattern that looks like a cartoonish drawing of an explosion  ===8-O

73,

Steve K0XP


On 12/28/2023 9:11 AM, sawyered@earthlink.net wrote:
I actually did model this a number of years ago.  From memory:

What matters is the DE line up.  1 to 2 ft was not material.  A few tenths
of a db.  However it started dropping off pretty quickly to as much as half
the stacking gain for a 5 - 6 ft offset on 10M.

While its not perfect, you can compensate for the material part of the
offset by shortening or lengthening one of the feed lines by the difference
(figuring VF into the equation).  I would only bother if more than 2 ft on
10M or 3 ft on 15 or 20M.

Theoretical stacking gain is 2 - 2.75dB.  So knocking 1 db off of that
(which is not hard to do) is a pretty big hit to the possibilities.

Ed  N1UR

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