This is odd. This subject had been dead for a week and today I have three
different messages on it. Oh well.
To respond to this one, I'm not sure what your point is. I don't question
N6TEB's innovation and commitment to roving and contesting. I'm questioning
why he didn't submit a log. If he followed the rules and went to all the
effort to put the station together and seemingly had so many contacts, why
wouldn't he allow his log to be compared to everybody else's?
I have no idea what the East coast "mystery captive rovers" is about. I'm
guessing that's before my time. Just the description sounds unethical.
I will not hide my opinion of the grid circling packs. The Unlimited Rover
category was created to give them an opportunity to play without skewing the
results in the rest of the country. Instead of operating within the spirit of
that rule, this group used the new rules as an opportunity to dominate three
different categories instead of just one. Its legal and well within the letter
of the rules, but I am of the opinion that it violates the spirit of the rules
competition.
The obvious problem with the new Rover rules is that it allows 100 contacts
with other rovers. For a station limited to 4 bands like Limited Rover, that's
an absurd number. Even for a 10 band Classic Rover, there's no way they would
make that many contacts unless they were running together. I am in favor of
reducing this number down to something realistic like 20 or so. I also think
this could be solved by indicating that a rover may not have more than 10% of
his contacts with any single other rover.
These are just my opinions. I have nothing against those guys. More power to
them, but I really think they are violating the spirit of competition.
Steve K4GUN/R
-------------- Original message --------------
From: kr7o@vhfdx.com
> N6TEB is a frequent rover and I always work him multiple times throughout
> the contests they enter. N6TEB/KE6HPZ go to great effort to work everyone
> possible and I worked them multiple times on every band I had in June
> (would have worked them more had I not been swamped with 6m
> openings). They have a substantial rover station and antenna array (try
> google for pictures). They normally place high scores nationally (if you
> factor out the "now unlimited-rover" scores). To try an class them with
> those "mystery east-coast captive rovers" is unwarranted. I likewise
> worked N6NB, W6TE/K6MI many times during the contest. Those rovers were
> responsible for ~50% of my 2M and up contacts and several contest grid
> squares.
>
> The fact that N6NB is building multiple 10-band stations and making them
> available to others is an asset to microwave activity in California. There
> has not been this much microwave activity (with stations adding bands to
> compete) since the ARRL created the limited-multiop category. Take a look
> at the number of CA stations listing contacts higher than 1296 after
> limited-multi until around five years ago. I have to admit that the early
> N6NB grid-circling trips in the midwest disappointed me (sorry Wayne), but
> once they brought the show to a populated area they appear to be available
> for anyone to work.
>
>
>
> At 07:23 PM 7/19/2008 +0000, k4gun@comcast.net wrote:
> >I noticed something odd. I'm trying to figure out how these guys do
> >it. The new rules seem to have just given the grid circling expedition
> >two new categories in which to win, but that's not the point of this
> >message. I was reading their soapbox
> >here:
> >http://www.arrl.org/contests/soapbox/index.html?con_id=154&call=n6nb%2Fr
> >
> >I was comparing all their operators to the list of submitted logs and
> >realized that one of their group didn't submit one. N6TEB/R is not listed
> >anywhere for a claimed score yet according to the soapbox, he was worked
> >30 times by the group's QRP portable member K6VCR.
> >
> >Why would a guy spend the time and money to go on a 15 grid expedition and
> >not submit a log? It doesn't make any sense to me. Could somebody shed
> >some light on this? Would this have any effect on the logs of the rest of
> >the group?
> >
> >73
> >Steve K4GUN/R
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> 73, Robert KR7O/YB2ARO, DM07ba/OI52ee (ex. N7STU)
> kr7o@vhfdx.com
>
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>
>
>
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