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Re: [VHFcontesting] Activity hours

Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Activity hours
From: RT Clay <rt_clay@bellsouth.net>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2024 19:39:41 +0000 (UTC)
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 My K3 doesn't have USB, so I can't comment. 
What if you want a sound-card voice keyer (essential with VHF rates)? My radios 
also don't have built-in voice keyers. I use two sound cards, one for SSB and 
one for two copies of wsjtx (two K3 radios). Fortunately the K3 has more than 
one audio input, but I had to build a level converter since only one input can 
be set as line-level.
Tor

    On Friday, September 20, 2024 at 02:01:15 PM CDT, Gerry Hull 
<gerry@w1ve.com> wrote:  
 
 Welcome, Tor.  Hopefully, many modern radios have USB sound cards, which can 
be setup for Digital modes.   When on SSB or CW, no cable switching is required.
73,
Gerry W1VE
On Fri, Sep 20, 2024 at 2:55 PM RT Clay <rt_clay@bellsouth.net> wrote:

 I've only been doing VHF contests for 10 years, but my observations:
Rule changes giving extra points for analog, activity hours, etc: these will 
have little or no effect, because to me it seems that many VHF contest 
operators simply do not operate to maximize their score. For example: staying 
on 50.313 when signals are loud; rovers staying on FT8 when they could run 
bands in 2 minutes on SSB; stations wasting 30 minutes to make or attempt one 
MS contact, when they could get more mults by working some easy 50/144 grids.
There are just too few people for the many bands and modes. Take a look at some 
of the rules for the European VHF contests. There you will find: analog/digital 
often are separate contests; often contests are single band; no EME in 
terrestrial contests; more contests but shorter duration. All these have the 
effect of concentrating the activity.
Setting up a station to quickly switch between FT8/SSB/CW is not easy 
technically (mic/audio switching; computer control conflicts wsjtx vs logging 
program; ptt switching; voice keyer; spectrum display). It took me a while to 
figure out how to do that. I think some guys (not just new operators) do not 
have an easy way to switch- they have to unplug/reconnect stuff every time they 
switch modes and therefore don't like to do it.

Tor N4OGW EM53

   On Friday, September 20, 2024 at 08:56:36 AM CDT, Gerry Hull 
<gerry@w1ve.com> wrote:  

 Activity hours are great.  For those that already use them, it's a done
deal.  How much activity does it generate *during a contest*?

The problem is there are a lot of new hams coming on the scene, and all
they see and want to do is FT8.
If we want to continue to enjoy VHF contesting, we are going to have to
educate.  It's not hard.  Most of it can be done by "doing".
If we say weak-signal every 30 minutes, that is going to lead to many more
QSOs than say 6 at 6, 2 at 2, etc.
SSB and CW, Weak-signal modes as we used to call them.

Digital modes were designed for a very specific purpose: VERY weak
signals.  The mode is being completely abused because people are lazy or
uneducated about the mode.
For those people who have been around 20 or 30 years and have massive
investments in weak-signal equipment, don't you want to use it in the way
it was intended?

People will say: If I go on SSB or CW, I won't do well in the contest.
 That's only true if only YOU do it.  We should agree as a contesting
community
that CW and SSB are awesome for VHF, as they always have.  If we do, we can
bring life back, and the excitement back, to VHFContesting.
What strategies we use to bring more activity is up to us.  I again stress
that rule change is probably not the answer.

SSB and CW are alive and well and thriving in HF contesting.  It  can be
the same way on 50MHz and above if we choose to do it.
Digital has a huge place in VHF contesting.  It just can't be all
consuming.  It does not make sense.

73,

Gerry W1VE


On Fri, Sep 20, 2024 at 9:05 AM Bob Turner <n2scj-lists@outlook.com> wrote:

> I still use them, especially on Sunday evening when its slower.  It's easy
> to remember.  6 at 6, move up one band per hour.  I now make sure to do SSB
> as well as FT8 during these times.
>
> 7 3  Bob
> N2SCJ
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: packrats-bounces@mailman.qth.net <packrats-bounces@mailman.qth.net>
> On Behalf Of Rick R
> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2024 4:31 PM
> To: Gerry Hull <gerry@w1ve.com>; packrats reflector <
> packrats@mailman.qth.net>; vhf contesting <vhfcontesting@contesting.com>;
> Paul Bourque <pbourque@gmail.com>
> Cc: NEWS Reflector <newsvhf@mailman.qth.net>; Fred Stefanik <
> n1dpmfred@gmail.com>
> Subject: [Packrats] Activity hours
>
> For years, the Packrats published activity hours. They started about 6pm
> for 6m, 7PM for 2m, 8P 222, 9P 432, 10P 2G, 11P 3G, 12A 5&10G.
> We repeated with the same schedule for Sunday AM and PM. It worked for
> many years, although as a rover, I tried to run the bands whenever I could.
> It doesn’t work anymore and the trend as W2SJ detailed recently is start
> SSB on 6&2 and as soon as you work whomever is there and no other callers,
> go to FT8. Rick K1DS
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