I much prefer more points for analog modes. It's hard enough to get
connected with rovers since they are usually time crunched. I can't imagine
trying to work a 10 band rover or any station for that matter 30
times, three times per band, switching on and off WSJT-X. What a headache.
Dave N2OA
On Tue, Sep 17, 2024 at 3:56 PM Ray Golley via Packrats <
packrats@mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> Gordie et all,
> I like the three mode concept. It would encourage activity on all modes on
> each band.
> de
> N3RayG
>
> On 09/17/2024 11:56 AM EDT James Gordon Beattie Jr <w2ttt@att.net> wrote:
>
>
> Rick and Paul,
>
> Why not simply adopt the ability to have station pairs work each other
> three times on each band as is done in Field Day with the DIGITAL/CW/PHONE
> model?
>
> Previously, I have proposed an expansion of that model for more modes and
> bandwidths, but we should at least consider the Field Day model as we have
> experience with it and it has proven to create activity.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> 73,
> J. Gordon "Gordie" Beattie, Jr., W2TTT
> 201.314.6964
> W2TTT@ATT.NET
> Gordon.BeattieJr@VIAVISolutions.com
>
>
> Get On The Air!
> ------------------------------
> *From:* packrats-bounces@mailman.qth.net <packrats-bounces@mailman.qth.net>
> on behalf of Paul Bourque <pbourque@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 17, 2024 8:45:59 AM
> *To:* Rick R <rick1ds@hotmail.com>
> *Cc:* News group mailing list <newsvhf@mailman.qth.net>; flwss@flwss.net <
> flwss@flwss.net>; k1ep@arrl.net <k1ep@arrl.net>; vhf contesting <
> vhfcontesting@contesting.com>; packrats reflector <
> packrats@mailman.qth.net>; Terry Price <terry@directivesystems.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Packrats] Contest suggestion
>
> Hi Rick,
>
> The 2 caveats that I see in having separate CW/SSB and Digital "weekends"
> of the contests are that:
>
> 1. The big multi-op stations who mount a large-scale mountaintop effort
> (think W2SZ) will not be able to (or willing) to assemble their stations
> for 2 weekends let alone one weekend. This will dilute the number of
> available stations to work on each of the weekends.
>
> 2. When will we be able to schedule these weekends? June has a rather
> full contest calendar (plus graduations, and other family stuff), and an
> additional weekend in September might be tough with the kids back to
> school, and family stuff- and let's not forget football season.
>
> The solution I always thought would work is allowing stations to make
> contacts on an analog mode AND a digital mode on each band. Hopefully this
> will encourage stations to leave FT8 when conditions are good, and pick up
> a mic or a key.
>
> And you're right- the cheese has definitely been moved! It's a new game
> out there folks. I remember when I was first licensed I could effectively
> contest using a 5W FM handheld and a 5/8 wave 2m whip on the car. When the
> FM tri-band Kenwood mobiles were popular you could easily move stations
> from 144 to 220 and 432 and it was lots of fun using FM only (think late
> 90's early 2000's.) I stepped away from contesting and most ham stuff in
> the early 00's because life got in the way, and boy was I surprised to find
> very little FM activity when I returned to VHF contesting in the 2019 June
> contest.
>
> We do have to realize that it's not going to go back to how it was then,
> and I'm all for embracing new technology and newer operators, but at heart
> I'm a phone contester, and that's where I find the fun factor is, but we do
> need to adapt.
>
> 73,
> -Paul N1SFE
>
> On Tue, Sep 17, 2024 at 11:26 AM Rick R <rick1ds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Here's a thought—Even hours analog, Odd hours digital
> Or perhaps having an analog-only contest and a digital-only contest as has
> been suggested many times. Rick K1DS
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* newsvhf-bounces@mailman.qth.net <newsvhf-bounces@mailman.qth.net>
> on behalf of Paul Bourque <pbourque@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 17, 2024 11:18 AM
> *To:* k1ep@arrl.net <k1ep@arrl.net>
> *Cc:* Terry Price <terry@directivesystems.com>; News group mailing list <
> newsvhf@mailman.qth.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [NEWSVHF] Dave and Fred and all
>
> A couple of years ago, I posted in Contest Update and recommended that
> stations call CQ and look for CW/SSB QSOs at the top and bottom of each
> hour. Of course, what really helps here is that some of the bigger gun
> stations get on and call CQ. Maybe we should make this a thing- similar to
> how K1WHS is helping bring back life to 222. But we need to get more
> stations on board for this to work. I'm not anti digital modes, but I
> really find it more enjoyable to work stations on phone (working on my CW
> skills, but not anywhere near ready for prime time with that.)
>
> This past contest, I was focussed on 6 meters because I'm so close to
> getting my VUCC on 6 and that was my goal for this contest. I only heard
> one station calling CQ on SSB (W2EA), which I had already worked. The CQs
> from my little gun station went unanswered. But I tried- I didn't make a
> single contact on SSB as my time was being wasted sitting there calling CQ
> to an empty band. BTW- my goal for getting closer to VUCC was successful-
> I'm sitting at 99 confirmed grids right now- and hoping that a couple of
> stations that I worked confirm for my 100th grid.
>
> In June, I roved to 3 sites in FN31, FN32 and FN42- (SSB/FM only). When I
> was in FN32- basically in W2SZs backyard, I was expecting to hear them on
> all three bands I had (6, 2, 432)- but they were suspiciously absent from
> SSB and FM. I did catch them calling CQ on 446.0 when I was driving down
> the hill from my FN42 location. I thought for sure I'd hear them on phone
> being so close to them. In years past, W2SZ was my "beacon" during
> contests- it was a sure bet that I'd get them in the log every contest.
>
> I'm really looking forward to any suggestions on how we can breathe some
> life back into CW and voice (SSB, FM, AM..) during the VHF contests.
>
> 73,
> -Paul N1SFE
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 17, 2024 at 10:23 AM Ed Parish <k1ep.list@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > If all of us abandon CW and SSB, then everyone will be on FT8. We still
> > need to call CQ on CW and SSB and make some activity there. It was
> > disheartening at tines to tune from 50.125 to 50.200 and not hear a
> single
> > SSB signal during the contest.
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 17, 2024, 09:44 Terry Price <terry@directivesystems.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I don't "care" for digital modes either but I have worked folks on FT8
> > that
> > > I could not work on cw so it does have it's place. As a contester, you
> > have
> > > to go where the activity is, do I wish there was more cw/SSB, heck yes
> > but
> > > it is what it is.
> > >
> > > ANY VHF & up activity is welcome, hell I'll work you on FM or AM if
> > > necessary !!!
> > >
> > > Terry Price - W8ZN
> > > Directive Systems and Engineering
> > > 703-754-3876
> > >
>
>
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