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Re: [VHFcontesting] Activity hours

To: RT Clay <rt_clay@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Activity hours
From: Gerry Hull <gerry@w1ve.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2024 15:00:54 -0400
List-post: <mailto:vhfcontesting@contesting.com>
Welcome, Tor.  Hopefully, many modern radios have USB sound cards, which
can be setup for Digital modes.   When on SSB or CW, no cable switching is
required.

73,

Gerry W1VE

On Fri, Sep 20, 2024 at 2:55 PM RT Clay <rt_clay@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>  I've only been doing VHF contests for 10 years, but my observations:
> Rule changes giving extra points for analog, activity hours, etc: these
> will have little or no effect, because to me it seems that many VHF contest
> operators simply do not operate to maximize their score. For example:
> staying on 50.313 when signals are loud; rovers staying on FT8 when they
> could run bands in 2 minutes on SSB; stations wasting 30 minutes to make or
> attempt one MS contact, when they could get more mults by working some easy
> 50/144 grids.
> There are just too few people for the many bands and modes. Take a look at
> some of the rules for the European VHF contests. There you will find:
> analog/digital often are separate contests; often contests are single band;
> no EME in terrestrial contests; more contests but shorter duration. All
> these have the effect of concentrating the activity.
> Setting up a station to quickly switch between FT8/SSB/CW is not easy
> technically (mic/audio switching; computer control conflicts wsjtx vs
> logging program; ptt switching; voice keyer; spectrum display). It took me
> a while to figure out how to do that. I think some guys (not just new
> operators) do not have an easy way to switch- they have to unplug/reconnect
> stuff every time they switch modes and therefore don't like to do it.
>
> Tor N4OGW EM53
>
>    On Friday, September 20, 2024 at 08:56:36 AM CDT, Gerry Hull <
> gerry@w1ve.com> wrote:
>
>  Activity hours are great.  For those that already use them, it's a done
> deal.  How much activity does it generate *during a contest*?
>
> The problem is there are a lot of new hams coming on the scene, and all
> they see and want to do is FT8.
> If we want to continue to enjoy VHF contesting, we are going to have to
> educate.  It's not hard.  Most of it can be done by "doing".
> If we say weak-signal every 30 minutes, that is going to lead to many more
> QSOs than say 6 at 6, 2 at 2, etc.
> SSB and CW, Weak-signal modes as we used to call them.
>
> Digital modes were designed for a very specific purpose: VERY weak
> signals.  The mode is being completely abused because people are lazy or
> uneducated about the mode.
> For those people who have been around 20 or 30 years and have massive
> investments in weak-signal equipment, don't you want to use it in the way
> it was intended?
>
> People will say: If I go on SSB or CW, I won't do well in the contest.
>  That's only true if only YOU do it.  We should agree as a contesting
> community
> that CW and SSB are awesome for VHF, as they always have.  If we do, we can
> bring life back, and the excitement back, to VHFContesting.
> What strategies we use to bring more activity is up to us.  I again stress
> that rule change is probably not the answer.
>
> SSB and CW are alive and well and thriving in HF contesting.  It  can be
> the same way on 50MHz and above if we choose to do it.
> Digital has a huge place in VHF contesting.  It just can't be all
> consuming.  It does not make sense.
>
> 73,
>
> Gerry W1VE
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 20, 2024 at 9:05 AM Bob Turner <n2scj-lists@outlook.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I still use them, especially on Sunday evening when its slower.  It's
> easy
> > to remember.  6 at 6, move up one band per hour.  I now make sure to do
> SSB
> > as well as FT8 during these times.
> >
> > 7 3  Bob
> > N2SCJ
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: packrats-bounces@mailman.qth.net <packrats-bounces@mailman.qth.net
> >
> > On Behalf Of Rick R
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2024 4:31 PM
> > To: Gerry Hull <gerry@w1ve.com>; packrats reflector <
> > packrats@mailman.qth.net>; vhf contesting <vhfcontesting@contesting.com
> >;
> > Paul Bourque <pbourque@gmail.com>
> > Cc: NEWS Reflector <newsvhf@mailman.qth.net>; Fred Stefanik <
> > n1dpmfred@gmail.com>
> > Subject: [Packrats] Activity hours
> >
> > For years, the Packrats published activity hours. They started about 6pm
> > for 6m, 7PM for 2m, 8P 222, 9P 432, 10P 2G, 11P 3G, 12A 5&10G.
> > We repeated with the same schedule for Sunday AM and PM. It worked for
> > many years, although as a rover, I tried to run the bands whenever I
> could.
> > It doesn’t work anymore and the trend as W2SJ detailed recently is start
> > SSB on 6&2 and as soon as you work whomever is there and no other
> callers,
> > go to FT8. Rick K1DS
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