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Re: [VHFcontesting] 222 Activity

To: Howard Reynolds <wa3eoq@gmail.com>, vhfcontesting@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] 222 Activity
From: David Olean <k1whs@metrocast.net>
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2024 18:50:46 -0500
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Hi Howard and 222 MHz geeks.

Having a good receiver these days is harder than you think. The advent of digital TV stations has altered the landscape by causing interference that you might not even notice. If you plug in a spectrum analyzer to your antenna, you will probably see TV signals that are in the -20 dBm range. This is more than enough to overload most any preamp. Consider that there are multiple big TV signals and the number of strong signals in the preamp passband all add up to cause overload.  Digital RFI sounds just like white noise. Also realize that peak signals of noise extends about 10 dB above what you see on a screen. The bottom line is that very few VHFers are NOT affected by TV RFI. I was getting hammered by a 200 MHz VHF TV station about 20 miles away on 222, and on 432, I am clobbered by a UHF TV station 40miles away.

Any loss is noise and raises your noise floor. On 222 MHz with noise temps in the mid double digits, you are wasting your energy in purchasing a low noise preamp and then having 2 or 3 dB of feedline loss.  All noise is additive so the very low antenna temperatures obtained by aiming up off the horizon  can really skew the results from what you would see at HF or 50 MHz.  If you have a 3 dB feedline loss with a 0.25 dB preamp, the noise temp will be 323 degrees K, while having the 0.25 dB preamp at the antenna with no loss will produce a noise temperature of only 17 degrees K. Adding in a 50 degree sky temperature gives you 67 degrees vs 373 degrees K. The S+N to N ratio would be about 5.57 times or 7.4 dB better than having 3 dB of feedline loss on 222 MHz when the sky temps are low. Why give up 7.4 dB?

OK, I am not quite fair as I have neglected some other losses that happen in a real ham VHF system (small jumpers, coax relays etc) but the trend is there for the cold sky high VHF bands. When you introduce feedline loss, you lose much more S/N ratio than the amount of your feedline loss. At low frequencies, as the sky temps increase, that seeming anomaly disappears.  On 222 MHz, adding a preamp at the tower brings you huge benefits. I even saw a noted improvement with 0.4 dB feedline loss on horizon signals that had sky temperatures in the 290 degree range.

Dave K1WHS


On 11/21/2024 3:58 PM, Howard Reynolds wrote:
 From Dave's post: I guess I got lucky to have 100 feet of 1-5/8" heliax
going up the tower.  There's probably more loss in the pigtails and antenna
selector switches in the shack and at the top of the tower.  I'm sure that
the rx preamp at the antenna helps a lot.  I attempted to work one station
running a kW who was around S7 here who couldn't hear my signal which
couldn't have been more than two S-units less there; said I needed more
power.  As the saying goes, "If you can't hear them, you can't work them".
WA3EOQ
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