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21. Re: [Amps] TL922 Power Plugs (score: 1): Author: maflynn@att.net; Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:03:44 +0000; _______________________________________________ Amps mailing list Amps@contesting.com http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/amps; /archives//html/Amps/2009-11/msg00026.html (8,334 bytes)
22. Re: [Amps] TL922 Power Plugs (score: 1): Author: Ian Hill - K8MM <ihk8mm@charter.net>; Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:57:45 -0500; Basically what it comes down to is whatever the authority having jurisdiction decides is "right". Whether its what the NEC says, is really irrelevant to some guys. The great majority of the time insp; /archives//html/Amps/2009-11/msg00027.html (19,081 bytes)
23. Re: [Amps] TL922 Power Plugs (score: 1): Author: Ian Hill - K8MM <ihk8mm@charter.net>; Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:01:51 -0500; And if a frog had wings...................... _______________________________________________ Amps mailing list Amps@contesting.com http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/amps; /archives//html/Amps/2009-11/msg00028.html (8,732 bytes)
24. Re: [Amps] TL922 Power Plugs (score: 1): Author: "Bill, W6WRT" <dezrat1242@yahoo.com>; Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:26:16 -0800; ORIGINAL MESSAGE: REPLY: I know this is true but I have never understood why it is so dangerous. Can anyone explain? I have always assumed there would be a problem if one of the wires opened, but eve; /archives//html/Amps/2009-11/msg00029.html (8,686 bytes)
25. Re: [Amps] TL922 Power Plugs (score: 1): Author: "Carl" <km1h@jeremy.mv.com>; Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 19:59:51 -0500; YOU the slave to the system are at danger. For the same reasons you need seat belts, helmets, dual master cylinders, air bags and everything else the nanny state demands to protect you from yourself.; /archives//html/Amps/2009-11/msg00030.html (9,453 bytes)
26. Re: [Amps] TL922 Power Plugs (score: 1): Author: "Paul Christensen" <w9ac@arrl.net>; Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 21:21:23 -0500; See NEC 250.32(A) and (B). Since your 3-wire system is existing, the 4-wire requirement beginning with the 2008 NEC likely does not apply -- but may under your local code. New detached structure wir; /archives//html/Amps/2009-11/msg00031.html (10,417 bytes)
27. Re: [Amps] TL922 Power Plugs (score: 1): Author: "Bill, W6WRT" <dezrat1242@yahoo.com>; Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:34:24 -0800; ORIGINAL MESSAGE: REPLY: Yada, yada, yada. I've heard all that before but it still does not answer my question: Exactly what is the danger? 73, Bill W6WRT ____________________________________________; /archives//html/Amps/2009-11/msg00032.html (8,944 bytes)
28. Re: [Amps] TL922 Power Plugs (score: 1): Author: "Carl" <km1h@jeremy.mv.com>; Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 21:49:13 -0500; The danger is some big hungry rat or an evil person will remove your neutral wire which will return you to the dark days of a 2 wire non polarized outlets and plugs. Just think, you may only have a o; /archives//html/Amps/2009-11/msg00033.html (9,329 bytes)
29. Re: [Amps] TL922 Power Plugs (score: 1): Author: "Gary Schafer" <garyschafer@comcast.net>; Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 21:10:41 -0600; Paul, If I am following what you are saying that is not correct. Under the old rules with a 3 wire feeder to a detached building the neutral was to be connected to the neutral and ground buss in the; /archives//html/Amps/2009-11/msg00034.html (11,354 bytes)
30. Re: [Amps] TL922 Power Plugs (score: 1): Author: "Bill, W6WRT" <dezrat1242@yahoo.com>; Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:04:29 -0800; ORIGINAL MESSAGE: REPLY: That wasn't my question. Please forgive me if I wasn't clear enough. My question was this: I understand why it is necessary to bond ground and neutral together at the service; /archives//html/Amps/2009-11/msg00035.html (9,523 bytes)
31. Re: [Amps] TL922 Power Plugs (score: 1): Author: "Gary Schafer" <garyschafer@comcast.net>; Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 22:34:40 -0600; If they are both bonded at the appliance both will carry neutral currents. That can raise the appliance case above ground due to voltage drop in the cable. Should neutral and ground become open some; /archives//html/Amps/2009-11/msg00036.html (9,954 bytes)
32. Re: [Amps] TL922 Power Plugs (score: 1): Author: "Alex Eban" <alexeban@gmail.com>; Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:44:30 +0200; To be precise, the danger is in NOT connecting the earth and the neutral together. The connection is crucial to the operation of the ground fault interrupter if fitted. Voltage drop differentials on; /archives//html/Amps/2009-11/msg00037.html (9,845 bytes)
33. Re: [Amps] TL922 Power Plugs (score: 1): Author: "Bill, W6WRT" <dezrat1242@yahoo.com>; Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:51:29 -0800; ORIGINAL MESSAGE: REPLY: My dense little brain finally got it. To reiterate: The danger comes when neutral and ground are bonded together at the appliance AND both neutral and ground wires back to th; /archives//html/Amps/2009-11/msg00038.html (9,768 bytes)
34. Re: [Amps] TL922 Power Plugs (score: 1): Author: "Alex Eban" <alexeban@gmail.com>; Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:53:15 +0200; The danger lies in the fact that the ground fault interrupter gets bypassed if you strap the ground and neutral wires at the appliance. The fault (leakage) current has to have a separate path to grou; /archives//html/Amps/2009-11/msg00039.html (10,390 bytes)
35. Re: [Amps] TL922 Power Plugs (score: 1): Author: "Alex Eban" <alexeban@gmail.com>; Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:55:45 +0200; This is not detrimental if, that is, you have a ground fault interrupter AFTER the point where the wires are strapped together. Otherwise it won't activate and save your skin! Alex 4Z5KS If they are; /archives//html/Amps/2009-11/msg00040.html (11,018 bytes)
36. Re: [Amps] TL922 Power Plugs (score: 1): Author: "Jim Carr" <n7fcf@hctc.com>; Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 00:50:06 -0800; I got called out on a service call years ago to a mobile home that was acting weird. It only had lights when the furnace came on and then very dim. Turns out it was fed from a panel that somebody boo; /archives//html/Amps/2009-11/msg00041.html (13,918 bytes)
37. Re: [Amps] TL922 Power Plugs (score: 1): Author: "Alex Eban" <alexeban@gmail.com>; Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:34:52 +0200; Oh, boy! If you had over 100V dropping on the wires, you used headphones wire! Just out of curiosity: the pole pig provides twice 120VAC on 2 separate pairs of wires that connect in series, or some 3; /archives//html/Amps/2009-11/msg00042.html (14,556 bytes)
38. Re: [Amps] TL922 Power Plugs (score: 1): Author: "Paul Christensen" <w9ac@arrl.net>; Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 06:43:56 -0500; For that to occur with both the neutral and ground opening, the grounded equipment chassis needs to find an alternate neutral path through other connections (e.g., grounded PL-259, RCA jacks, BNC, a; /archives//html/Amps/2009-11/msg00043.html (10,606 bytes)
39. Re: [Amps] TL922 Power Plugs (score: 1): Author: "Carl" <km1h@jeremy.mv.com>; Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:36:01 -0500; Im running 480V to the shop out back thru a pair of step up/step-down 10kva transformers. This uses a 3 wire run and has been in place for 20 years to run machine tools, compressor, welder, etc. Is i; /archives//html/Amps/2009-11/msg00044.html (13,044 bytes)
40. Re: [Amps] TL922 Power Plugs (score: 1): Author: "Carl" <km1h@jeremy.mv.com>; Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:41:49 -0500; And after all this is digested there are still millions of clothes dryers that run the neutral to the metal frame and connect the 120V motor from one leg of the 240V to the frame. When was the last t; /archives//html/Amps/2009-11/msg00045.html (10,822 bytes)

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