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321. Re: Topband: GAP Vertical Question (score: 1)
Author: "Tom W8JI" <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 11:31:33 -0500
A Shakespere CB whip in my 66 Corvette which was advervtised for fiberglass cars. It couldnt be heard a mile away with 4W. I added "radials" from the base on the rear deck to the frame on all 4 corne
/archives//html/Topband/2012-12/msg00434.html (9,228 bytes)

322. Re: Topband: GAP Vertical Question (score: 1)
Author: "Tom W8JI" <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 22:09:13 -0500
Hi Don, Then, why do broadcast stations that use vertical towers at approximately a half wavelength, purchase valuable real estate and spend thousands of dollars for the copper to install from 120 to
/archives//html/Topband/2012-12/msg00444.html (14,875 bytes)

323. Re: Topband: Optimal radial wire type and gauge? (score: 1)
Author: "Tom W8JI" <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 22:25:33 -0500
Tom, I think you are extrapolating one case with a particular radial length to all vertical antenna ground systems. The N6LF radial papers detail his NEC-4 simulations and measurements of vertical an
/archives//html/Topband/2012-12/msg00445.html (10,577 bytes)

324. Re: Topband: GAP Vertical Question (score: 1)
Author: "Tom W8JI" <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 08:24:57 -0500
You likely had an antenna with 1/2 wave of wire spooled up on a short fiberglass rod, which would never behave like a half-wave. You are exactly right. Unfortunately, this myth dies hard. Below is a
/archives//html/Topband/2012-12/msg00460.html (9,924 bytes)

325. Re: Topband: GAP Vertical Question (score: 1)
Author: "Tom W8JI" <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:01:47 -0500
length. For want of a better word its image has to be a perfect conductor for the antenna system as a whole to be 100% efficient. The invocation of "image" into efficiency or ground losses shows a mi
/archives//html/Topband/2012-12/msg00462.html (10,394 bytes)

326. Re: Topband: GAP Vertical Question (score: 1)
Author: "Tom W8JI" <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:14:31 -0500
Just to be clear, since the discussion drifted to half-wave radiators, my comment above was specific to the modeling of thick v. thin half-wave radiators, including the 180-195 degree radiators of so
/archives//html/Topband/2012-12/msg00464.html (10,904 bytes)

327. Re: Topband: GAP Vertical Question (score: 1)
Author: "Tom W8JI" <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 12:55:25 -0500
To work at its maximum efficiency a vertical needs a real ground system and the image is its fictitious counterpart to isotropic. Im oversimplyfing here so no need to pick nits. Besides being untrue,
/archives//html/Topband/2012-12/msg00465.html (12,663 bytes)

328. Re: Topband: Ground mounted 1/2 and 1/4 wave verticals (was GAP) (score: 1)
Author: "Tom W8JI" <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 19:44:59 -0500
Dave... would it be a fair extrapolation to take your last sentence, and draw the conclusion that if adding radials changes feed impedance, then there was actual ground loss in the near field? Or tha
/archives//html/Topband/2012-12/msg00482.html (13,220 bytes)

329. Re: Topband: Ground mounted 1/2 wave (score: 1)
Author: "Tom W8JI" <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 21:33:22 -0500
<<But doesn't this merely confirm the notion that the half-wave vertical needs some kind of ground system to work against, and in addition to minimise ground loss when the base of the radiator is in
/archives//html/Topband/2012-12/msg00488.html (14,310 bytes)

330. Re: Topband: Ground mounted 1/2 wave (score: 1)
Author: "Tom W8JI" <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 08:25:59 -0500
** All that means is that the elevation peak of the wave as seen in the typical 2D plot increases by .38dB and as expected. It does not say what happens from that peak down to zero elevation which is
/archives//html/Topband/2012-12/msg00498.html (10,393 bytes)

331. Re: Topband: Ground mounted 1/2 wave (score: 1)
Author: "Tom W8JI" <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 13:47:48 -0500
We both agree that the .38 db increase is at all elevation angles since the increase in efficiency at the feed doesnt change the pattern shape, just levels. OK ? There you say pattern shape does not
/archives//html/Topband/2012-12/msg00504.html (14,488 bytes)

332. Re: Topband: Ground mounted 1/2 wave (score: 1)
Author: "Tom W8JI" <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 15:54:48 -0500
This is where I think the problem is. You say: ** Since the TOA is established at almost ground zero, radials can increase the energy at angles that would otherwise be attenuated. That is incorrect.
/archives//html/Topband/2012-12/msg00535.html (11,378 bytes)

333. Re: Topband: Is banning really necessary? (score: 1)
Author: "Tom W8JI" <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 08:41:41 -0500
I hope Tree and everyone else doesn't mind one measured response to this: In a free society the mere idea of banning people just because we disagree with them goes against our principles of liberty a
/archives//html/Topband/2012-12/msg00550.html (12,029 bytes)

334. Re: Topband: Lab style comparison results on 160m small lot antennachanges. (score: 1)
Author: "Tom W8JI" <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 11:13:14 -0500
-- Original Message -- From: "Guy Olinger K2AV" <olinger@bellsouth.net> To: "TopBand List" <topband@contesting.com> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 7:25 PM Subject: Topband: Lab style comparison re
/archives//html/Topband/2012-12/msg00560.html (9,753 bytes)

335. Re: Topband: KLM antennas on shunt fed towers (score: 1)
Author: "Tom W8JI" <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 14:13:34 -0500
Anyone have problems running a KLM antenna with the 4:! balun and elements insulated from the boom (stock KLM config) on a shunt fed tower for 160? I ask because I have a 6 element 10 on the top of m
/archives//html/Topband/2012-12/msg00592.html (9,029 bytes)

336. Re: Topband: Inverted L question (score: 1)
Author: "Tom W8JI" <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 15:08:08 -0500
I am right now using an inverted L which is spaced about 4 feet away from my tower. The vertical leg is about 85 feet. I only have 6 radials at the present time Now here is the question The horizonta
/archives//html/Topband/2012-12/msg00593.html (9,249 bytes)

337. Re: Topband: KLM antennas on shunt fed towers (score: 1)
Author: "Tom W8JI" <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 08:25:31 -0500
A little different version of this question - is there any general guidance about what to do with pickup on other antennas when transmitting? Shunt the pickup to a dummy load? short? open? something
/archives//html/Topband/2012-12/msg00599.html (10,956 bytes)

338. Re: Topband: Short Bogs (score: 1)
Author: "Tom W8JI" <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 07:44:56 -0500
<<<<I used several short bogs back in the 80's on a small urban lot where their length was about 120'. I got the information on them from John K9DX. The interesting thing was that the bog wire was co
/archives//html/Topband/2012-12/msg00609.html (9,143 bytes)

339. Re: Topband: Short Bogs (score: 1)
Author: "Tom W8JI" <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 17:41:06 -0500
Shielded loops are not shielded, and neither are shielded ground leads or even BOG's. The outside is always the naked antenna, just like a single unshielded conductor. One more additional comment tha
/archives//html/Topband/2012-12/msg00610.html (8,351 bytes)

340. Re: Topband: single wire Dielectric covering. (score: 1)
Author: "Tom W8JI" <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 10:56:30 -0500
Dielectrics affects/increases capacitance. Question: Has anyone made a study as to how it lowers the frequency of the wire that it is covering?. My thought.... It is probably is a linear capacitance
/archives//html/Topband/2012-12/msg00630.html (12,020 bytes)


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