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161. Re: [VHFcontesting] Endorse Rover Rules Revisions EXCEPT the 30 Q Limit (score: 1)
Author: Ev Tupis <w2ev@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:56:42 -0800 (PST)
Not at all, John. You find the best location in a Grid-4 and operate. When you're done...you're done. Move on to the best location in the next Grid-4 and operate there. (uh-oh...one more rule needed:
/archives//html/VHFcontesting/2009-02/msg00234.html (10,672 bytes)

162. Re: [VHFcontesting] Endorse Rover Rules Revisions EXCEPT the 30 Q Limit (score: 1)
Author: Ev Tupis <w2ev@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:16:31 -0800 (PST)
Hi Steve, To your point... The point is actually quite straight forward, though I may have not been as clear in making it as I'd hoped. It is this: The three simple rules that I proposed will align t
/archives//html/VHFcontesting/2009-02/msg00240.html (10,292 bytes)

163. Re: [VHFcontesting] Endorse Rover Rules Revisions EXCEPT the 30 Q Limit (score: 1)
Author: Ev Tupis <w2ev@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:44:51 -0800 (PST)
Hi Mike, To your point... The underlying issue is that Rover-class participants are allowed liberties that no other class of participant enjoys. It is the depth of that disparity that results in thes
/archives//html/VHFcontesting/2009-02/msg00242.html (10,499 bytes)

164. Re: [VHFcontesting] Endorse Rover Rules Revisions EXCEPT the 30 Q Limit (score: 1)
Author: Ev Tupis <w2ev@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:40:19 -0800 (PST)
<tongue-in-cheek> Let's give non-Rovers this same ability, then. Say...QRP Portable, for instance. One needs only 4 lunchbox operators to meet the QRP Portable station at each corner of the "home" Gr
/archives//html/VHFcontesting/2009-02/msg00243.html (10,081 bytes)

165. Re: [VHFcontesting] Endorse Rover Rules Revisions EXCEPT the 30 Q Limit (score: 1)
Author: Ev Tupis <w2ev@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:14:34 -0800 (PST)
-- Steve, I feared that my attempt at making a point through irony would get lost along the way. I'll boil it down and move on... Rovers should be scored (and categorized, btw) the same way that ever
/archives//html/VHFcontesting/2009-02/msg00245.html (10,248 bytes)

166. [VHFcontesting] Category alignment [was: one stop (pass) grids] (score: 1)
Author: Ev Tupis <w2ev@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 02:51:06 -0800 (PST)
To the questions you raised... In what way is it unfair to stationary contestants? The point is *not* to work as many people as possible. It *is* to align Rover rules with that of all other classes o
/archives//html/VHFcontesting/2009-02/msg00253.html (8,476 bytes)

167. [VHFcontesting] 30/50 non-endorsement [was: 30/ 50 endorsement.] (score: 1)
Author: Ev Tupis <w2ev@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 03:27:26 -0800 (PST)
With the best of intentions, the 30/50 proposal misses the mark on many levels. I'll start by re-asking, "As regard to CQ and ARRL VHF contests, no other class is artificially limited to the number o
/archives//html/VHFcontesting/2009-02/msg00254.html (8,936 bytes)

168. [VHFcontesting] Baby & Bath water [was: one stop (pass) grids] (score: 1)
Author: Ev Tupis <w2ev@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 03:31:29 -0800 (PST)
Not at all. As someone who has participated in VHF contesting since before the rover category even existed, I can say with certainty that the baby has been in the same dirty bath water for so long, i
/archives//html/VHFcontesting/2009-02/msg00255.html (8,546 bytes)

169. [VHFcontesting] Drawing conclusions [Was: Endorse Rover Rules Revisions EXCEPT the 30 Q Limit (score: 1)
Author: Ev Tupis <w2ev@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 03:37:14 -0800 (PST)
The responses that we see are based on the ability to comment proactively and nothing more. We would have seen similar threads, had the ARRL folk floated previous rover rules through this list prior
/archives//html/VHFcontesting/2009-02/msg00256.html (9,335 bytes)

170. Re: [VHFcontesting] 30/50 non-endorsement [was: 30/ 50 endorsement.] (score: 1)
Author: Ev Tupis <w2ev@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 15:55:52 -0800 (PST)
So...6-meters opens briefly and I work a rover who forgets to ID as such and I now have 50.01% of my log with Rovers. I'm reclassified as unlimited...even though it's not my fault or intention. I mus
/archives//html/VHFcontesting/2009-02/msg00266.html (10,194 bytes)

171. [VHFcontesting] Explaining "the three simple rules" [was: Endorse Rover Rules Revisions EXCEPT the 30 Q Limit (score: 1)
Author: Ev Tupis <w2ev@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 13:12:38 -0800 (PST)
Hi Joe. I agree that open discussion is a good thing for as long as focus remains on the issues-at-play. Thanks for your well-presented point-of-view. You brought up some great points. I'll reply in-
/archives//html/VHFcontesting/2009-02/msg00286.html (12,834 bytes)

172. [VHFcontesting] Explaining "the two simple rules" [was: Explaining "the three simple rules"] (score: 1)
Author: Ev Tupis <w2ev@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 17:47:23 -0800 (PST)
Hey...you know what?! I went looking and I stand corrected! The *only* class of participant that can't change their location within the same Grid-4 during a contest is the QRP Portable class (WHY PIC
/archives//html/VHFcontesting/2009-02/msg00288.html (10,202 bytes)

173. Re: [VHFcontesting] Explaining "the two simple rules" [was: Explaining "the three simple rules"] (score: 1)
Author: Ev Tupis <w2ev@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 05:01:49 -0800 (PST)
OTOH, my QRP Portable station was built into a vehicle that I would drive to my favorite hill top and park for the weekend. It was a real pleasure. I'd drive home when it was all over, disassembling
/archives//html/VHFcontesting/2009-02/msg00292.html (10,289 bytes)

174. Re: [VHFcontesting] Explaining "the three simple rules" [was: Endorse Rover Rules Revisions EXCEPT the 30 Q Limit (score: 1)
Author: Ev Tupis <w2ev@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 07:58:25 -0800 (PST)
One either wants to fix the problem or not. The (reduced to) two simple rules fix the problem through score and strategy normalization (something that I've said since first posting it). Please don't
/archives//html/VHFcontesting/2009-02/msg00294.html (10,385 bytes)

175. Re: [VHFcontesting] rover rules (score: 1)
Author: Ev Tupis <w2ev@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:15:39 -0800 (PST)
== I understand your point-of-view, Steve. I tend to be a root-cause analyst out of laziness. If I can fix something once, I will. Revisiting the same issue cyclically makes me grumpy. :) As for what
/archives//html/VHFcontesting/2009-02/msg00301.html (8,293 bytes)

176. Re: [VHFcontesting] All Transmitters and Recievers in 500m circle (score: 1)
Author: Ev Tupis <w2ev@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:18:48 -0800 (PST)
== There is nothing that says that the 500 meter circle can't move...only that it stays in the Grid-4 and that all equipment must reside in it. As such, they are traditional single-ops. Ev, W2EV ____
/archives//html/VHFcontesting/2009-02/msg00302.html (8,647 bytes)

177. Re: [VHFcontesting] All Transmitters and Recievers in 500m circle (score: 1)
Author: Ev Tupis <w2ev@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:40:56 -0800 (PST)
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Sean, In the years gone by, this sort of statement would have been made in private, to the benefit on only the person who inquired.
/archives//html/VHFcontesting/2009-02/msg00307.html (8,889 bytes)

178. Re: [VHFcontesting] rover rules (score: 1)
Author: Ev Tupis <w2ev@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:17:40 -0800 (PST)
Hi Jim, In regard to "absurdly high scores generated by re/contacting a small number of participants...and being rewarded for doing so, publicly", there are several "fixes" that can be applied. I've
/archives//html/VHFcontesting/2009-02/msg00308.html (8,766 bytes)

179. Re: [VHFcontesting] Contesting Philosophy (score: 1)
Author: Ev Tupis <w2ev@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 16:54:52 -0800 (PST)
Society is full of ambiguity and inaccuracy. While this is difficult for engineers and programmers to truly understand, it is at the very core of the human condition. That doesn't make something "bro
/archives//html/VHFcontesting/2009-02/msg00346.html (8,953 bytes)

180. Re: [VHFcontesting] 2008 September VHF QSO Party Results (score: 1)
Author: Ev Tupis <w2ev@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 16:58:16 -0800 (PST)
And neither of them appear to have grid-circled in their win. Another interesting fact...the top scoring rovers were *not* the ones that visited the most grids. They were the ones to find other stra
/archives//html/VHFcontesting/2009-02/msg00347.html (8,383 bytes)


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