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41. [AMPS] Re: Poor science (score: 1): Author: philk5pc@tyler.net (Phil Clements); Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 21:49:15 -0600; My inclination is now turning toward a short from anode to ground through the grid. An ammeter in the cathode lead would remain at zero during an event like this. A tell-tale pile of grid pieces in; /archives//html/Amps/2000-03/msg00313.html (9,461 bytes)
42. [AMPS] Re: Poor science (score: 1): Author: 2@vc.net (measures); Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:55:40 -0700; Perhaps Tom and Jon have the same reading malady, Terry? cheers -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/ampsfaq.html Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative requests: amps-REQUEST@contestin; /archives//html/Amps/2000-03/msg00315.html (10,331 bytes)
43. [AMPS] Re: Poor Science (score: 1): Author: 2@vc.net (measures); Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 18:28:34 -0700; Without Tom, there are fewer posts. Without a protagonist and an antagonist, this place would be downtown Snoresville. I have learned that denial of reality is a more serious problem than I once tho; /archives//html/Amps/2000-03/msg00316.html (10,375 bytes)
44. [AMPS] Re: Poor science (score: 1): Author: jono@enteract.com (Jon Ogden); Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 20:37:35 -0600; forbid rest That is not exactly what I said or meant. If an amplifier is unstable it will oscillate. How the oscillation starts can either be thermally (which is how most oscillators start) or by som; /archives//html/Amps/2000-03/msg00317.html (10,031 bytes)
45. [AMPS] Re: Poor science (score: 1): Author: Carl Clawson" <ws7l@arrl.net (Carl Clawson); Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:56:51 -0800; Agreed, Tom. We're more in agreement than otherwise. My point is that, given sufficient excitation, a nonlinear system in general can exhibit a self-sustaining oscillation. The "sufficient excitatio; /archives//html/Amps/2000-03/msg00320.html (10,001 bytes)
46. [AMPS] Re: Poor science (score: 1): Author: 2@vc.net (measures); Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 20:13:50 -0700; 2000 This scenario would have required broken anode cooler welds - which allowed the anode cooler to tip sideways and touch the grid. Terry did not report such an occurrence. If Terry still has the; /archives//html/Amps/2000-03/msg00322.html (9,478 bytes)
47. [AMPS] Re: Poor science (score: 1): Author: w6ru@lightspeed.net (Terry Gaiser - W6RU); Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 21:50:41 -0800; the grid. this. down miles I understand your thinking Phil .... but what caused it ... twice ? Terry W6RU -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/ampsfaq.html Submissions: amps@contesting.com Admini; /archives//html/Amps/2000-03/msg00331.html (9,729 bytes)
48. [AMPS] Re: Poor Science (score: 1): Author: rfamps@ic24.net (Steve Thompson); Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 09:06:46 -0000; snip The original (17th century) use of 'fetish' relates to excessive devotion to objects or ideas, or belief in magical powers, and doesn't have any sexual connotation. Steve -- FAQ on WWW: http://w; /archives//html/Amps/2000-03/msg00340.html (9,244 bytes)
49. [AMPS] Re: Poor science (score: 1): Author: philk5pc@tyler.net (Phil Clements); Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 06:14:11 -0600; My feeling is that the failure was NOT mechanical in nature. I have an 8877 here that trips 30 amp breakers while drawing "0" cathode current. (((73))) Phil, K5PC -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contestin; /archives//html/Amps/2000-03/msg00352.html (9,773 bytes)
50. [AMPS] Re: Poor science (score: 1): Author: G3SEK@ifwtech.demon.co.uk (Ian White, G3SEK); Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 09:35:26 +0000; I liked your analogy of the motorbike engine - it certainly kicked me from thinking "can't ever happen" into "could happen sometimes." However, the motorbike engine is pretty predictable [insert joke; /archives//html/Amps/2000-03/msg00357.html (14,755 bytes)
51. [AMPS] Re: Poor science (score: 1): Author: 2@vc.net (measures); Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 05:40:28 -0700; N7WS's measurements showed otherwise. To: <amps@contesting.com> the long excursion on the wide river in the Land of Pharoahs continues. cheers, Tom -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/ampsfaq.h; /archives//html/Amps/2000-03/msg00361.html (9,966 bytes)
52. [AMPS] Re: Poor science (score: 1): Author: 2@vc.net (measures); Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 09:08:14 -0700; agreed Interesting, Phil. want to sell it? name your price. What kind of amplifier? later -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/ampsfaq.html Submissions: amps@contesting.com Administrative reques; /archives//html/Amps/2000-03/msg00384.html (9,702 bytes)
53. [AMPS] Re: Poor Science (score: 1): Author: 2@vc.net (measures); Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 09:08:16 -0700; To: <amps@contesting.com> Welcome to the 21st century, Steve. If you are ever in LA, stop in at the Pleasure Chest sex-toy store in Hollywood, and check out the fettishes. . . later, Steve -- FAQ on; /archives//html/Amps/2000-03/msg00386.html (9,276 bytes)
54. [AMPS] Re: Poor Science (score: 1): Author: Peter_Chadwick@mitel.com (Peter Chadwick); Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 17:32:47 -0000; to Trouble is, Steve, you're talking (writing?) in English English. American English is at times subtly different in the meaning of words. Adds to the fun here, doesn't it? 73 Peter G3RZP -- FAQ on W; /archives//html/Amps/2000-03/msg00392.html (8,911 bytes)
55. [AMPS] Re: Poor science (score: 1): Author: N6BUU@aol.com (N6BUU@aol.com); Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 14:46:53 EST; << of grunt >> TERRY did the word "PANDORA" flash thru ur mind at that moment?.....then again that's a whole other thread! hank -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/ampsfaq.html Submissions: amps; /archives//html/Amps/2000-03/msg00397.html (8,757 bytes)
56. [AMPS] Re: Poor science (score: 1): Author: w6ru@lightspeed.net (Terry Gaiser - W6RU); Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 15:04:30 -0800; I agree Ian .... So wouldn't that lead one to think maybe a VHF/UHF oscillation might have taken place ? An oscillation of some magnitude some say can't happen ??? Terry W6RU -- FAQ on WWW: http://ww; /archives//html/Amps/2000-03/msg00410.html (9,650 bytes)
57. [AMPS] Re: Poor science (score: 1): Author: W8JI@contesting.com (Tom Rauch); Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 20:34:30 -0500; One way you can weed things out is to look at the maximum limits of voltages or currents, and see what the maximum potential effects would be. Thoriated tungsten has a maximum emission efficiency of; /archives//html/Amps/2000-03/msg00416.html (10,239 bytes)
58. [AMPS] Re: Poor science (score: 1): Author: w6ru@lightspeed.net (Terry Gaiser - W6RU); Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 17:57:54 -0800; some Tom, I understand where you are coming from here. But the fact remains it happened not only once but twice ... just as I stated. I like to keep an open mind ... I will listen to all for their su; /archives//html/Amps/2000-03/msg00419.html (11,510 bytes)
59. [AMPS] Re: Poor science (score: 1): Author: 2@vc.net (measures); Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 21:42:28 -0700; ? I do not recall Terry saying that the entire grid was found to be shattered. ? I suspect that there is something amiss with your force figures since it typ. takes c. 11g of force for c. 30 - 40 se; /archives//html/Amps/2000-03/msg00426.html (10,365 bytes)
60. [AMPS] Re: Poor science (score: 1): Author: Carl Clawson" <ws7l@arrl.net (Carl Clawson); Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 22:31:30 -0800; I have my moments. Interesting thought. Agreed. I don't actually claim that chaos has anything to do with the problem. (I get carried away when I'm having fun.) And I freely admit that I have limite; /archives//html/Amps/2000-03/msg00430.html (9,517 bytes)

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