- 1. [Amps] 50 Ohm Loads (score: 1)
- Author: "Bruce Lanning" <belanning@verizon.net>
- Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 12:52:55 -0500
- Hi, I note with interest what Larry had to say about filling load resisters. "Bring an Ohmmeter or get a guarantee from a mail order seller as the value can change considerably over time. I have a fe
- /archives//html/Amps/2007-11/msg00150.html (6,607 bytes)
- 2. Re: [Amps] 50 Ohm Loads (score: 1)
- Author: "Fuqua, Bill L" <wlfuqu00@uky.edu>
- Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 13:45:37 -0500
- Filing increases the value of the resistor. 73 Bill wa4lav Hi, I note with interest what Larry had to say about filling load resisters. "Bring an Ohmmeter or get a guarantee from a mail order seller
- /archives//html/Amps/2007-11/msg00152.html (7,754 bytes)
- 3. Re: [Amps] 50 Ohm Loads (score: 1)
- Author: "jeremy-ca" <km1h@jeremy.mv.com>
- Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 14:27:36 -0500
- That was Carl who wrote that. As you may know, the Carborundums are fragile being not much more than powdered carbon granules molded and held together by some bonding agent. I used a Dremel cut-off d
- /archives//html/Amps/2007-11/msg00153.html (9,453 bytes)
- 4. Re: [Amps] 50 Ohm Loads (score: 1)
- Author: "k7rdx" <k7rdx@charter.net>
- Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 11:49:10 -0800
- Has anyone checked with Palstar(800-773-7931) for load resistors? They build some really nice loads and may sell parts???Jim K7RDX.. -- Original Message -- From: "jeremy-ca" <km1h@jeremy.mv.com> To:
- /archives//html/Amps/2007-11/msg00154.html (10,578 bytes)
- 5. Re: [Amps] 50 Ohm Loads (score: 1)
- Author: Bill Fuqua <wlfuqu00@uky.edu>
- Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:35:24 -0500
- Filing resistors raise the resistance, you can't lower it that way. 73 Bill wa4lav _______________________________________________ Amps mailing list Amps@contesting.com http://lists.contesting.com/ma
- /archives//html/Amps/2007-11/msg00155.html (8,028 bytes)
- 6. Re: [Amps] 50 Ohm Loads (score: 1)
- Author: "Jim Brown" <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>
- Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 23:24:02 -0800
- At a single frequency (or depending on the Q, a relatively narrow range). The laws of physics, as described by the classic resonant frequency curves, apply in full. Wire wound resistors as an RF dumm
- /archives//html/Amps/2007-11/msg00158.html (7,572 bytes)
- 7. Re: [Amps] 50 Ohm Loads (score: 1)
- Author: "jeremy-ca" <km1h@jeremy.mv.com>
- Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 10:13:35 -0500
- As one forum member pointed out 50KW BCB water cooled dummy loads use nichrome elements with a fixed cap to cancel the reactance. That is not a "narrow range". Measuring a true non inductive resistor
- /archives//html/Amps/2007-11/msg00160.html (9,179 bytes)
- 8. Re: [Amps] 50 Ohm Loads (score: 1)
- Author: "Jim Brown" <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>
- Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 08:48:50 -0800
- It sure is a narrow range -- +/- 20 kHz! The laws of physics have not changed in my lifetime. 73, Jim _______________________________________________ Amps mailing list Amps@contesting.com http://list
- /archives//html/Amps/2007-11/msg00163.html (7,689 bytes)
- 9. Re: [Amps] 50 Ohm Loads (score: 1)
- Author: "jeremy-ca" <km1h@jeremy.mv.com>
- Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 12:17:29 -0500
- Youre missing the point; again. I said BCB, not one frequency. The loads covered up to 1500 KHz or so and above that the cap had to be changed. I see no reason why an inductive resistor cant be used
- /archives//html/Amps/2007-11/msg00165.html (8,839 bytes)
- 10. Re: [Amps] 50 Ohm Loads (score: 1)
- Author: "Jim Brown" <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>
- Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 09:35:01 -0800
- I know you said that, but I don't believe it. 540-1700 kHz is a 3:1 range. In most RF systems, a dummy load needs to be pretty close to purely resistive. It is hard to believe that what you describe
- /archives//html/Amps/2007-11/msg00167.html (8,355 bytes)
- 11. Re: [Amps] 50 Ohm Loads (score: 1)
- Author: "jeremy-ca" <km1h@jeremy.mv.com>
- Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 12:58:11 -0500
- Since it was used succcessfuly by a Gates installation team in the 60's that statement is irrelevant. 540-1700 kHz is a 3:1 range. Without knowing the actual construction of the load or resistive ele
- /archives//html/Amps/2007-11/msg00170.html (9,643 bytes)
- 12. Re: [Amps] 50 Ohm Loads (score: 1)
- Author: "Jim Tonne" <tonne@comcast.net>
- Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:29:50 -0500
- On this business of resonating an inductive dummy load, I decided to put some numbers into the thing so we can sort the wheat from the chaff. First, I am sure that we are all in agreement that if the
- /archives//html/Amps/2007-11/msg00172.html (9,008 bytes)
- 13. Re: [Amps] 50 Ohm Loads (score: 1)
- Author: "Jim Brown" <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>
- Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 11:26:01 -0800
- Yep. And the most practical way to do that is to measure it at RF. The test setup I published in my RFI tutorial to measure chokes would work. Most antenna analyzers would at least get us in the ball
- /archives//html/Amps/2007-11/msg00174.html (8,156 bytes)
- 14. Re: [Amps] 50 Ohm Loads (score: 1)
- Author: "jeremy-ca" <km1h@jeremy.mv.com>
- Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:46:07 -0500
- Jim, how about backing into Elsie with a .01 cap as that is what I believe Gates used in that load. With large diameter nichrome elements arranged in an array that minimized coupling I would have to
- /archives//html/Amps/2007-11/msg00177.html (10,272 bytes)
- 15. Re: [Amps] 50 Ohm Loads (score: 1)
- Author: "Jim Tonne" <tonne@comcast.net>
- Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:32:29 -0500
- Guys: If a .01 uF cap was used in series with a load to tune it to 1 MHz, then the load had an inductance of 2.533 uH. The return loss would be 20 dB or better over the range of 750 kHz to1320 kHz. I
- /archives//html/Amps/2007-11/msg00179.html (9,081 bytes)
- 16. Re: [Amps] 50 Ohm Loads (score: 1)
- Author: "jeremy-ca" <km1h@jeremy.mv.com>
- Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:40:24 -0500
- What about the other resistors? Immersed in oil they could handle some power. The Heath Cantenna used a 50W element. As mentioned earlier I was looking at single band applications at 1.8 and 3.8 MHz,
- /archives//html/Amps/2007-11/msg00180.html (10,264 bytes)
- 17. Re: [Amps] 50 Ohm Loads (score: 1)
- Author: "Jim Brown" <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>
- Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:21:32 -0800
- How did you measure those values? At what frequency? What was the resistance at the frequency of the measurement? These are important questions, because that coil that we're calling a resistor has L,
- /archives//html/Amps/2007-11/msg00182.html (8,283 bytes)
- 18. Re: [Amps] 50 Ohm Loads (score: 1)
- Author: <d.cutter@ntlworld.com>
- Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 8:31:51 +0000
- So far no-one has mentioned non-inductive winding technique. I think Caddock use a method of winding in one direction, then half way along reverse the direction to complete the winding. David G3UNA -
- /archives//html/Amps/2007-11/msg00186.html (7,926 bytes)
- 19. Re: [Amps] 50 Ohm Loads (score: 1)
- Author: "Jim Brown" <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>
- Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:28:44 -0800
- Don't know who Caddock is. First, we're talking about wire wound resistors here, not general coils. Second, if you believe a technique like this will work, I suggest you build one and measure it. 73,
- /archives//html/Amps/2007-11/msg00187.html (8,351 bytes)
- 20. Re: [Amps] 50 Ohm Loads (score: 1)
- Author: "Larry Benko, W0QE" <xxw0qe@comcast.net>
- Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:38:01 -0700
- Caddock resistors are great www.caddock.com and are very good at high frequencies. The 100W ones come in TO-247 transistor type packages and are a resistance film fired onto a flat ceramic substrate.
- /archives//html/Amps/2007-11/msg00188.html (8,753 bytes)
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