Author: Radiosporting Fan <radiosporting@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 16:55:33 -0700 (PDT)
Please, take a day or two before responding to this e-mail. It is sure to invoke anger in many readers. I hope that a few people will really think about what is contained below and will start thinkin
Ev, I did not wait two days, and I can assure you that I am not angry. I think your perpetual desire to come up with new ideas has misfired on this one. You ask (essentially): What if we realized tha
Not to be pedantic but chaos - as in chaos theory - is actually called deterministic chaos because it is defined by a set of rules http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/CHAOS.html http://monet.unibas.ch/~elmer/p
Syl, Not to be pedantic, but your claim to not be pedantic is false. 73, Bob W5OV Not to be pedantic but chaos - as in chaos theory - is actually called deterministic chaos because it is defined by a
Author: Radiosporting Fan <radiosporting@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 05:57:58 -0700 (PDT)
The term "chaos" - as I attempted to use it in the original e-mail - is connected to observed contest operation by human beings rather than contest rules. By being willing to entertain such thought.
I think that Bob W5OV didn't mean the scientific (pedantic?) chaos you have in mind. Just the old, simple and common chaos (mess, havoc, mixup, disorder). If you are crazy enough to do almost anythin
Scientific chaos, deteministic chaos and old, simple common chaos are indistinguishable in a mathematical sense. The point is that just because rules are involved does not mean to an observer or a p
I think these are great ideas! However, such a vision requires new technology. For example, the current Cabrillo format will not handle the additional information. We probably need to migrate to XM
Let me see if I understand this. We all operate CQWW SSB (for example) and submit our results. Along with those results we send in a station profile...mine might say: - Single op (oops...nothing revo
Author: Radiosporting Fan <radiosporting@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 16:25:01 -0700 (PDT)
Interestingly, Cabrillo is extensible and can handle this nicely, right now. fwiw, Ev, W2EV __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best s
Author: Radiosporting Fan <radiosporting@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 16:57:27 -0700 (PDT)
Yes! Exactly, Ken. Of course, it's not about winning some obscure combination of parameters (though that can certainly be mined). Having such data allows us to gain a deeper understanding of our own
OK, so what you're saying is that instead of everyone closely following the rules (hey, this is hypothetical), you want to do away with the rules, let everyone do whatever they want, and then at some
This is a discussion of ham radio contesting - not a mathematical discussion - right? Syl, you're correct that to someone who may be unaware of the rules, the operation of a contest may appear chaoti
Author: Radiosporting Fan <radiosporting@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 19:25:29 -0700 (PDT)
Not at all. This is a reprint of the statement that started this thread... "What if we are attempting to make sense out of chaos by categorizing things that need not be categorized? (gasp!) What if w
Correct. It is also true for the participant. You are right about the structure on 20m during a contest. However, chaotic processes can exhibit fractal structures indicative of order. Even given the
Bob, you have no idea how many OM are making QSL deals over the EchoLink/Skype etc., mathematical chaos or culinary chaos. So we are not very far from contest scores that have no correlation whatsoev
Ketzaleh, If with the existing rules you see chaos, wait for the super duper chaos , without them rules. BTW the most chaos is created by HAMs who don't bother to learn the rules. Michael Barak 4X4KF
That's why this idea is such a non-starter, Ev. Categorizing is the first thing you have to do to extract any meaning at all from the contest results. Call it filtering if you want, it's the same thi
I need a degree in math to win constests? I always thought I did poorly because I slept too much on the weekend! 8-) 73 - Ken _______________________________________________ CQ-Contest mailing list C
Author: Radiosporting Fan <radiosporting@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 15:48:43 -0700 (PDT)
I'll try framing things another way... What if categories (as they are established and defined by the contest sponsor in today's world) were *replaced* by requiring stations to reveal the conditions