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21. Re: [CQ-Contest] CQWW Madness (score: 1): Author: Jeff Stai <wk6i.jeff@gmail.com>; Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 10:28:43 -0700; Here's a world wide HF contest that has distance scoring, it was started only 12 years ago, and has a great level of activity. It's coming up in October, give it a try. The break rules are interestin; /archives//html/CQ-Contest/2016-07/msg00210.html (8,826 bytes)
22. Re: [CQ-Contest] CQWW Madness (score: 1): Author: Jeff Stai <wk6i.jeff@gmail.com>; Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 10:23:11 -0700; I'm not suggesting changing anything, I'm just suggesting that if you want a model of a contest similar to CQWW CW/SSB that includes points for in-country contacts and expanded multipliers, the CQWW; /archives//html/CQ-Contest/2016-07/msg00211.html (10,640 bytes)
23. Re: [CQ-Contest] CQWW Madness (score: 1): Author: Richard F DiDonna NN3W <richnn3w@verizon.net>; Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 15:53:08 -0400; There was an analysis done a few years back where somebody went through and entered in maidenhead grids for most all competitors (using CQWW logs) and a log masher. Turns out most everyone who won in; /archives//html/CQ-Contest/2016-07/msg00212.html (10,344 bytes)
24. Re: [CQ-Contest] CQWW Madness (score: 1): Author: Kelly Taylor <ve4xt@mymts.net>; Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 15:08:40 -0500; Hi Jim, Do you really think distance-based scoring will lead to a change in distribution of winning scores? Even if you get more points for CA-EU contacts, would that be enough to compensate for the; /archives//html/CQ-Contest/2016-07/msg00214.html (16,694 bytes)
25. Re: [CQ-Contest] CQWW Madness (score: 1): Author: Rudy Bakalov via CQ-Contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>; Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 17:24:29 -0400; You pick based on the goals of the contest. So, if you go by the current objectives as stated, distance based scoring is best aligned compared to all other proposals. You don't need any analysis in o; /archives//html/CQ-Contest/2016-07/msg00215.html (13,048 bytes)
26. Re: [CQ-Contest] CQWW Madness (score: 1): Author: "Mike Tessmer" <mtessmer@cinci.rr.com>; Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 16:58:11 -0400; In your #1 you have two scenarios that are nothing at all alike. Which one does the contest change to? How do you decide? Without some kind of data to back up the proposal (showing how you will end u; /archives//html/CQ-Contest/2016-07/msg00216.html (11,660 bytes)
27. Re: [CQ-Contest] CQWW Madness (score: 1): Author: <john@kk9a.com>; Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 17:43:59 -0400; If I had not operated assisted from zone 9 in 2011, the winner would have been NN3W in zone 5! John KK9A - P40A If you look at the SSB scores, you see some more diversity. 8P5A won 2015 and 2014; CN2; /archives//html/CQ-Contest/2016-07/msg00217.html (8,964 bytes)
28. Re: [CQ-Contest] CQWW Madness (score: 1): Author: Jim Brown <k9yc@audiosystemsgroup.com>; Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 14:48:39 -0700; Hi Kelly, On Sat,7/23/2016 1:08 PM, Kelly Taylor wrote: Do you really think distance-based scoring will lead to a change in distribution of winning scores? Some, yes. More important, virtually all st; /archives//html/CQ-Contest/2016-07/msg00218.html (13,190 bytes)
29. Re: [CQ-Contest] CQWW Madness (score: 1): Author: steve.root@culligan4water.com; Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 22:06:56 +0000; Distance based scoring has a fatal flaw.....degree of difficulty is NOT related strictly to distance. Propagation differnces are not limited to a simplistic East/West model. Folks in southern states; /archives//html/CQ-Contest/2016-07/msg00219.html (15,680 bytes)
30. Re: [CQ-Contest] CQWW Madness (score: 1): Author: Alan Dewey via CQ-Contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>; Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 18:09:21 -0400; Jeff; Back in 2012 when I was chair, the ARRL CAC did, indeed, look at distance based scoring for the ARRL DX Contest and ended up NOT recommending that it be implemented. Admittedly, ARRL DX is a di; /archives//html/CQ-Contest/2016-07/msg00220.html (10,730 bytes)
31. [CQ-Contest] CQWW Madness (score: 1): Author: Jeff Clarke <ku8e@bellsouth.net>; Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 19:36:12 -0400; Rich, It would be interesting if someone would run Andy's V47 logs using distance based scoring the year's he didn't win in CQWW CW. In a few of those years he actually had more QSO'S than the winne; /archives//html/CQ-Contest/2016-07/msg00223.html (8,548 bytes)
32. Re: [CQ-Contest] CQWW Madness (score: 1): Author: Kelly Taylor <ve4xt@mymts.net>; Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 18:40:07 -0500; Hi Jim, Interesting points. Thanks. One note inserted below; This could be a case of walk a mile in his shoes. I cant say I know what its like to operate into EU from Calif., and Im pretty sure youve; /archives//html/CQ-Contest/2016-07/msg00224.html (14,025 bytes)
33. Re: [CQ-Contest] CQWW madness (score: 1): Author: "Ed Sawyer" <sawyered@earthlink.net>; Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 20:50:10 -0400; Why are we beating up the CQWW contest? SS and NAQP are not fair either. Just advantage those outside W1 and W2 so somehow that makes it okay that they are unfair. Same propagation problems and the s; /archives//html/CQ-Contest/2016-07/msg00225.html (8,621 bytes)
34. Re: [CQ-Contest] CQWW madness (score: 1): Author: Jim Brown <k9yc@audiosystemsgroup.com>; Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 20:13:35 -0700; Actually, SS and NAQP are relatively competitive between different parts of NA. In SS, PVRC, SMC, and NCCC have each turned in wins in Large Club competitons, and another half dozen or so smaller clu; /archives//html/CQ-Contest/2016-07/msg00226.html (11,882 bytes)
35. [CQ-Contest] CQWW madness (score: 1): Author: Jeff Clarke <ku8e@bellsouth.net>; Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 22:23:59 -0400; Since a "fair" worldwide DX contest isn't realistic then get rid of all the awards for World and Continental winners. Breakdown all the leaderboards and awards by regions. The current leaderboards ar; /archives//html/CQ-Contest/2016-07/msg00227.html (8,319 bytes)
36. Re: [CQ-Contest] CQWW madness (score: 1): Author: Jim George <n3bb@mindspring.com>; Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 07:05:39 -0500; What I'm going to say doesn't appeal to me personally, since I contest as an S/O CW operator without Internet in the shack, but if we are going to make radiosporting interesting to young people, futu; /archives//html/CQ-Contest/2016-07/msg00228.html (10,407 bytes)
37. Re: [CQ-Contest] CQWW madness (score: 1): Author: Richard F DiDonna NN3W <richnn3w@verizon.net>; Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 10:22:53 -0400; Actually, SS and NAQP are relatively competitive between different parts of NA. In SS, PVRC, SMC, and NCCC have each turned in wins in Large Club competitons, and another half dozen or so smaller clu; /archives//html/CQ-Contest/2016-07/msg00229.html (11,318 bytes)
38. Re: [CQ-Contest] CQWW madness (score: 1): Author: <john@kk9a.com>; Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 16:37:32 -0400; There are different areas were a station can be competitive in Sweepstakes but certainly not all areas. Do you think it was fair when you lived in Chicago? The west coast has more daylight hours, whi; /archives//html/CQ-Contest/2016-07/msg00236.html (9,819 bytes)
39. Re: [CQ-Contest] CQWW madness (score: 1): Author: Joe <nss@mwt.net>; Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 18:55:17 -0500; It was almost a year ago, we all were discussing this distance based scoring. ( November of 2015 ) And many brought up that it has pitfalls also because of propagation etc. I back then proposed a con; /archives//html/CQ-Contest/2016-07/msg00241.html (12,389 bytes)
40. Re: [CQ-Contest] CQWW madness (score: 1): Author: Rudy Bakalov via CQ-Contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>; Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 22:06:21 -0400; Joe, How does one grid square compare to the skip zone and ground wave distance on the upper and lower bands respectively? That is, you may need more than one square to define the 3 points on the upp; /archives//html/CQ-Contest/2016-07/msg00243.html (14,633 bytes)

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