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1. [TenTec] 80 meter loops (score: 1): Author: "Paul DeWitte K9OT" <k9ot@mhtc.net>; Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 19:24:23 -0600; Now that we all know that 80m loops cannot out-perform dipoles, I would just like to remind you that bumblebees cannot fly (according to theory). 73 de Paul K9OT in SW Wisconsin _____________________; /archives//html/TenTec/2004-03/msg00421.html (6,947 bytes)
2. RE: [TenTec] 80 meter loops (score: 1): Author: "James Duffer" <dufferjames@hotmail.com>; Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 07:39:59 -0600; I have been following this thread with great interest. Firstly, I appreciate the fact that no one has appointed themselves as the "police" and whine that this is not ten-tec related in attempt to squ; /archives//html/TenTec/2004-03/msg00422.html (7,524 bytes)
3. Re: [TenTec] 80 meter loops (score: 1): Author: W9efl@aol.com; Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 10:26:18 EST; Hello Paul!!!! Regarding 80m loops. I have two orthoganal 80m loops and an inv V for 80m. I was told by several DXr's that I needed an inv V and that it would outperform the loops. The V hasn't been; /archives//html/TenTec/2004-03/msg00423.html (6,915 bytes)
4. Re: [TenTec] 80 meter loops (score: 1): Author: Robert & Linda McGraw K4TAX <RMcGraw@Blomand.Net>; Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 11:18:35 -0600; Admittingly, this is a great discussion, although not specifically Tentec related. I have 2 complete Tentec stations being a Paragon and an Omni VI+ on my property. Here's the antennas for the Tentec; /archives//html/TenTec/2004-03/msg00425.html (9,492 bytes)
5. RE: [TenTec] 80 meter loops (score: 1): Author: "Rick Westerman" <Rick@dj0ip.de>; Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 17:40:20 +0100; Outstand information Bob, thanks. Your (dipoles) results are exactly as to be expected, but I have a question about the two dipoles: It is said that low dipoles lose their directional effect and beco; /archives//html/TenTec/2004-03/msg00428.html (10,369 bytes)
6. Re: [TenTec] 80 meter loops (score: 1): Author: "Mike Brown" <k9mi@sbcglobal.net>; Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 18:01:32 -0000; Having never had the good fortune to have tall antennas, I can verify (at least in my experience) that low dipoles for 40/80/160 are pretty much omni directional. I'll give you a for instance. I live; /archives//html/TenTec/2004-03/msg00429.html (13,434 bytes)
7. Re: [TenTec] 80 meter loops (score: 1): Author: "JAMES HANLON" <knjhanlon@msn.com>; Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 11:08:19 -0700; Noel, I would suggest that you either 1) take the ARRL Antenna Modeling Course, as I am doing right now, or 2) get someone who is a competent antenna modeler to do some analysis on the antenna variat; /archives//html/TenTec/2004-03/msg00431.html (8,974 bytes)
8. Re: [TenTec] 80 meter loops (score: 1): Author: Robert & Linda McGraw K4TAX <RMcGraw@Blomand.Net>; Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 12:06:12 -0600; As a general conclusion, yes the lower dipole in an inverted V configuration does appear to more omnidirectional. The higher configuration is clearly more directional but is difficult at best to make; /archives//html/TenTec/2004-03/msg00432.html (13,767 bytes)
9. Re: [TenTec] 80 meter loops (score: 1): Author: "Paul" <gw7lhi@hotmail.com>; Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 23:43:45 -0000; Hi Noel. Yep, a lot of people knock the good old horizontal loop for no good reason. I'd like to get my loop up at 185ft! I have a non resonant horizontal loop about 156ft total wire length at 25ft A; /archives//html/TenTec/2004-03/msg00439.html (10,769 bytes)
10. Re: [TenTec] 80 meter loops (score: 1): Author: "Paul" <gw7lhi@hotmail.com>; Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 00:04:12 -0000; That's what I've been told too, Bob.. More wire = more contacts. A real G2 and a couple of real G3's told me that it's a good rule of thumb. So that's what I did, no measuring...just put as big a loo; /archives//html/TenTec/2004-03/msg00441.html (8,957 bytes)
11. Re: [TenTec] 80 meter loops (score: 1): Author: "Paul" <gw7lhi@hotmail.com>; Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 00:09:05 -0000; Rick, just after posting I thought... Capture area.. can be a big deal at VHF up, what about HF / LF.. Paul MW0CDO. Maybe there is something _______________________________________________ TenTec mai; /archives//html/TenTec/2004-03/msg00444.html (8,841 bytes)
12. Re: [TenTec] 80 meter loops (score: 1): Author: "Stuart Rohre" <rohre@arlut.utexas.edu>; Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 18:10:21 -0600; Well, of course, Physics holds at all frequencies, and area of the antenna is important. 73, Stuart K5KVH _______________________________________________ TenTec mailing list TenTec@contesting.com htt; /archives//html/TenTec/2004-03/msg00445.html (8,300 bytes)
13. Re: [TenTec] 80 meter loops (score: 1): Author: ac5e@comcast.net; Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 00:40:20 +0000; Well, Paul, I'm not knocking the horizontal loop. For what it's good for, vertical radiation on the fundamental and high angle radiation with both pronounced lobes and equally pronounced nulls on the; /archives//html/TenTec/2004-03/msg00448.html (12,323 bytes)
14. Re: [TenTec] 80 meter loops (score: 1): Author: "Stuart Rohre" <rohre@arlut.utexas.edu>; Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 19:17:51 -0600; Pete, using a greater than one wave 80m loop on 20m band, we have had more than 500 miles on first skip during Field Day. This was a horizontal loop up 20 feet high. We have used one band loops which; /archives//html/TenTec/2004-03/msg00449.html (8,655 bytes)
15. Re: [TenTec] 80 meter loops (score: 1): Author: ac5e@comcast.net; Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 01:32:39 +0000; Stuart, we have also used low horizontal loops for FD - and I think we could have gotten an award for WAA. Worked All Alabama - or Arkansas - or Louisana, Georgia, west Tennesse, and the Missouri boo; /archives//html/TenTec/2004-03/msg00450.html (10,027 bytes)
16. Re: [TenTec] 80 meter loops (score: 1): Author: Robert & Linda McGraw K4TAX <RMcGraw@Blomand.Net>; Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 20:19:34 -0600; To inject a comment, with all respect for Field Day activities, these represent operation over a few hours as compared to those of us that use the same antenna or group of antennas day in and day out; /archives//html/TenTec/2004-03/msg00454.html (11,450 bytes)
17. Re: [TenTec] 80 meter loops (score: 1): Author: "Billy Cox" <aa4nu@ix.netcom.com>; Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:49:57 -0600; Not so fast ... as in try using a 20m dipole on 10m? Twice the 'area' ... yet ... NOT twice the performance. Slow down guys ... some of you may be exceeding the "speed of physics" here. B-) <Note th; /archives//html/TenTec/2004-03/msg00458.html (8,938 bytes)
18. Re: [TenTec] 80 meter loops (score: 1): Author: ac5e@comcast.net; Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 12:05:28 +0000; While Bob's comments are well taken, we get to FD operations because they were mentioned early in this thread. And with all due respect to those who have operated the W5NA/K5PN station, we have never; /archives//html/TenTec/2004-03/msg00461.html (13,950 bytes)
19. RE: [TenTec] 80 meter loops (score: 1): Author: "Rick Westerman" <Rick@dj0ip.de>; Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 14:34:38 +0100; Loop report continues after a paragraph on Field Day... The first object of field day is to bring the guys together and have fun, practicing for emergencies. Winning the contest is optional and I mus; /archives//html/TenTec/2004-03/msg00466.html (16,658 bytes)
20. RE: [TenTec] 80 meter loops (score: 1): Author: ac5e@comcast.net; Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:25:11 +0000; Chuckle - Rick, the snake lost, but for the rest of the night every time the mike or headphone cord cast a shadow the phone operator was sure it was the snake's mate, come back to get him. He was sti; /archives//html/TenTec/2004-03/msg00473.html (8,918 bytes)

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