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1. [TowerTalk] Change in Frequency As Antenna Height Rises (score: 1)
Author: "Jim Thomson" <jim.thom@telus.net>
Date: Mon, 30 May 2016 09:20:46 -0700
For a 40m dipole model (length 66 ft, diameter 1 inch, aluminum, 29 segments, over "Average" ground) the chart below shows (red trace) the frequency of minimum SWR(50) and (blue trace) the frequency
/archives//html/Towertalk/2016-05/msg00588.html (8,897 bytes)

2. Re: [TowerTalk] Change in Frequency As Antenna Height Rises (score: 1)
Author: TexasRF--- via TowerTalk <towertalk@contesting.com>
Date: Mon, 30 May 2016 13:29:46 -0400
Jim, that was 30 inches to 60 feet. Gerald K5GW In a message dated 5/30/2016 11:54:48 A.M. Central Daylight Time, jim.thom@telus.net writes: ground. [snip] Finally on 40 meters I saw as much as a 300
/archives//html/Towertalk/2016-05/msg00591.html (10,155 bytes)

3. Re: [TowerTalk] Change in Frequency As Antenna Height Rises (score: 1)
Author: Bob K6UJ <k6uj@pacbell.net>
Date: Mon, 30 May 2016 20:39:05 -0700
Jim, With my 2EL Force 12 40M yagi, I followed Tom Schiller's guidelines and set it up initially at 15 feet above the ground. When I raised it up to 70 feet the resonance frequency increased by 20khz
/archives//html/Towertalk/2016-05/msg00605.html (11,976 bytes)

4. [TowerTalk] Change in Frequency As Antenna Height Rises (score: 1)
Author: "Jim Thomson" <jim.thom@telus.net>
Date: Mon, 30 May 2016 21:03:27 -0700
Jim, that was 30 inches to 60 feet. Gerald K5GW I was using two distinct points on his chart, 30 FEET.....and 100 FEET. Resonant freq at 30 ft = 7030 Resonant freq at 60 ft = 7240 http://s33.postimg.
/archives//html/Towertalk/2016-05/msg00607.html (8,965 bytes)

5. Re: [TowerTalk] Change in Frequency As Antenna Height Rises (score: 1)
Author: Dan Maguire via TowerTalk <towertalk@contesting.com>
Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 08:27:27 +0000 (UTC)
I sure don't see anything in the model that would tax the capabilities of NEC so I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that. However, in playing around a bit more I did stumble on something that
/archives//html/Towertalk/2016-05/msg00609.html (10,609 bytes)

6. Re: [TowerTalk] Change in Frequency As Antenna Height Rises (score: 1)
Author: "StellarCAT" <rxdesign@ssvecnet.com>
Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 07:28:14 -0400
The purpose of the saw horses was to assemble the antennas - not to be used for any real testing beyond that other than a sanity check that things aren't way off (i.e. 10:1 SWR). I do find that testi
/archives//html/Towertalk/2016-05/msg00611.html (13,634 bytes)

7. Re: [TowerTalk] Change in Frequency As Antenna Height Rises (score: 1)
Author: "StellarCAT" <rxdesign@ssvecnet.com>
Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 07:49:50 -0400
now this is where I get a bit frustrated ... MY experience in modeling height change is that it doesn't reliably predict it! I am using NEC2 (although models checked have been re-checked courtesy of
/archives//html/Towertalk/2016-05/msg00613.html (14,561 bytes)

8. Re: [TowerTalk] Change in Frequency As Antenna Height Rises (score: 1)
Author: "StellarCAT" <rxdesign@ssvecnet.com>
Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 07:57:35 -0400
AH HA! Ok - so there is a difference between a dipole and a yagi. Great to know! And if indeed that new model re a yagi shows similar results that would be quite encouraging. My apologies if I missed
/archives//html/Towertalk/2016-05/msg00614.html (10,999 bytes)

9. [TowerTalk] Change in Frequency As Antenna Height Rises (score: 1)
Author: "Jim Thomson" <jim.thom@telus.net>
Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 07:01:59 -0700
I sure don't see anything in the model that would tax the capabilities of NEC so I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that. However, in playing around a bit more I did stumble on something that
/archives//html/Towertalk/2016-05/msg00616.html (12,078 bytes)

10. Re: [TowerTalk] Change in Frequency As Antenna Height Rises (score: 1)
Author: Grant Saviers <grants2@pacbell.net>
Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 08:03:25 -0700
Perhaps this debate is really a measurement problem -- I think the important thing to remember is that a SWR bridge is probably NOT going to measure resonance when attached to some random length of c
/archives//html/Towertalk/2016-05/msg00617.html (14,568 bytes)

11. Re: [TowerTalk] Change in Frequency As Antenna Height Rises (score: 1)
Author: "Jim Thomson" <jim.thom@telus.net>
Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 08:31:11 -0700
rare cases, a 1-2 ft jumper. Done on each ele of the 40m yagi. But 40m els removed from boom, and hauled up the tower..one at a time. 80m rotary dipole mounted almost to top of mast..same deal thoug
/archives//html/Towertalk/2016-05/msg00618.html (15,395 bytes)

12. Re: [TowerTalk] Change in Frequency As Antenna Height Rises (score: 1)
Author: "john@kk9a.com" <john@kk9a.com>
Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 12:32:51 -0400
Force12 sure has complicated way to assemble a standard 40m shorty beam! I agree that is sounds strange that a dipole would shift 200+Khz moving it from 30' to 60' however my quick EZNEC+ model shows
/archives//html/Towertalk/2016-05/msg00619.html (9,893 bytes)

13. Re: [TowerTalk] Change in Frequency As Antenna Height Rises (score: 1)
Author: Jim Brown <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 10:29:17 -0700
Exactly right, Grant. I regularly measure Z in the shack with my DG8SAQ-designed VNWA, follow that with a TDR measurement of the line at VHF, then use Dan's ZPlots with short and open measurements of
/archives//html/Towertalk/2016-05/msg00620.html (10,787 bytes)

14. Re: [TowerTalk] Change in Frequency As Antenna Height Rises (score: 1)
Author: "Jeff DePolo" <jd0@broadsci.com>
Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 17:40:31 -0400
Part of the problem is that some people consider "resonance" and "matched to the transmission line" (i.e. 1:1 VSWR) as being one in the same when they are talking about antennas, when they most deci
/archives//html/Towertalk/2016-05/msg00621.html (10,705 bytes)

15. Re: [TowerTalk] Change in Frequency As Antenna Height Rises (score: 1)
Author: Grant Saviers <grants2@pacbell.net>
Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 17:37:52 -0700
A little sloppy, I should have said "transforms to some other SWR on an SWR bridge". We agree there are a couple of much better measurement means. Your "lacking that" example still requires a measuri
/archives//html/Towertalk/2016-05/msg00622.html (12,499 bytes)

16. Re: [TowerTalk] Change in Frequency As Antenna Height Rises (score: 1)
Author: Dan Maguire via TowerTalk <towertalk@contesting.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2016 08:30:05 +0000 (UTC)
Well, now we're making some progress at reaching common ground. I created a dipole model with 1.5" diameter aluminum wires and adjusted the length for precise resonance at 7.15 MHz in free space. The
/archives//html/Towertalk/2016-06/msg00000.html (8,580 bytes)

17. Re: [TowerTalk] Change in Frequency As Antenna Height Rises (score: 1)
Author: Steve Hunt <steve@karinya.net>
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2016 09:42:53 +0100
Dan, If you have the time, you might want to try plotting resonant frequency vs height for a linear half-wave dipole and comparing it with one bent into an almost closed square, as in the "cobweb" de
/archives//html/Towertalk/2016-06/msg00001.html (7,954 bytes)

18. Re: [TowerTalk] Change in Frequency As Antenna Height Rises (score: 1)
Author: "john@kk9a.com" <john@kk9a.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2016 06:53:00 -0400
Interesting. I trust antenna modeling but I wonder why linear loading is less influenced by the ground. I also wonder if coil loaded elements react the same. John KK9A 100% length (69.79 ft), no load
/archives//html/Towertalk/2016-06/msg00002.html (7,685 bytes)

19. Re: [TowerTalk] Change in Frequency As Antenna Height Rises (score: 1)
Author: Steve Hunt <steve@karinya.net>
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2016 14:04:52 +0100
Just found one a plot I did a while ago: http://www.karinya.net/g3txq/temp/dipole_vs_cobweb_tuning.png Steve G3TXQ If you have the time, you might want to try plotting resonant frequency vs height fo
/archives//html/Towertalk/2016-06/msg00003.html (8,700 bytes)

20. [TowerTalk] Change in Frequency As Antenna Height Rises (score: 1)
Author: "Jim Thomson" <jim.thom@telus.net>
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2016 06:36:09 -0700
Force12 sure has complicated way to assemble a standard 40m shorty beam! I agree that is sounds strange that a dipole would shift 200+Khz moving it from 30' to 60' however my quick EZNEC+ model shows
/archives//html/Towertalk/2016-06/msg00004.html (9,783 bytes)


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