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21. [TowerTalk] Force12 rivets (score: 1): Author: "Jim Thomson" <jim.thom@telus.net>; Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 04:38:42 -0800; The Force 12 rivets are not your standard rivet. They use a special kind as I recall. I had an XR5 here and though they may be available from some other outlets, I ordered a bag of 100 from F12 back; /archives//html/Towertalk/2011-02/msg00348.html (8,642 bytes)
22. [TowerTalk] Force12 rivets (score: 1): Author: "Jim Thomson" <jim.thom@telus.net>; Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 04:47:37 -0800; Yes - one side of my 15M driven element is now the same length as 10M. 73, Barry N1EU to fatigue ??? tip...with 3/8" OD x .058" wall tips. The .058" wall tubing is a lot stronger than the .035" wall; /archives//html/Towertalk/2011-02/msg00349.html (8,733 bytes)
23. Re: [TowerTalk] Force12 rivets (score: 1): Author: "Gene Fuller" <w2lu@rochester.rr.com>; Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 10:00:01 -0500; Bob - I agree. The best way to eliminate rivet problems is to not use them. Slit tubes and 100% (inclusding screws) SS hose clamps work great. No worries! Hose clamps work real good too... hi hi Bob; /archives//html/Towertalk/2011-02/msg00350.html (17,194 bytes)
24. Re: [TowerTalk] Force12 rivets (score: 1): Author: TexasRF@aol.com; Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 10:29:58 EST; Another useful feature of hose clamps is their tendency to keep ice from sliding down the element as it melts. At first thought, this may seem like a bad thing, but when ice slides down a drooping el; /archives//html/Towertalk/2011-02/msg00351.html (16,496 bytes)
25. Re: [TowerTalk] Force12 rivets (score: 1): Author: "Chet" <chetmoore@cox.net>; Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 11:14:32 -0500; I have 3 f-12 rivited antennas here. Never had a failure. This does not appear to be a huge problem nationwide. The owner of this antenna says he only used one rivet in that element.I believe him. Ei; /archives//html/Towertalk/2011-02/msg00353.html (19,416 bytes)
26. Re: [TowerTalk] Force12 rivets (score: 1): Author: Jan Erik Holm <sm2ekm@telia.com>; Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 17:36:56 +0100; What´s wrong with machine screws. Never ever had a failure and some of my antennas been out there for almost 30 years. IMO hose clamps are for the past. ______________________________________________; /archives//html/Towertalk/2011-02/msg00354.html (8,879 bytes)
27. Re: [TowerTalk] Force12 rivets (score: 1): Author: Jack <k4wsb@arrl.net>; Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 11:41:07 -0500; What's wrong in following the manufacturer's specification? Jack Hartley K4WSB / VP2MSB DXCC Honor Roll QCWA OOTC _______________________________________________ _____________________________________; /archives//html/Towertalk/2011-02/msg00355.html (8,271 bytes)
28. Re: [TowerTalk] Force12 rivets (score: 1): Author: "Gene Fuller" <w2lu@rochester.rr.com>; Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 11:43:11 -0500; Machine screws are fine if you don't plan to ever change the tunning or reuse the tubing. _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ TowerTalk mai; /archives//html/Towertalk/2011-02/msg00356.html (9,615 bytes)
29. Re: [TowerTalk] Force12 rivets (score: 1): Author: Jan Erik Holm <sm2ekm@telia.com>; Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 17:48:33 +0100; _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ TowerTalk mailing list TowerTalk@contesting.com http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk; /archives//html/Towertalk/2011-02/msg00357.html (8,209 bytes)
30. Re: [TowerTalk] Force12 rivets (score: 1): Author: "Dick Green WC1M" <wc1m73@gmail.com>; Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:07:55 -0500; I have four Force12 antennas, including a C3E, and have never had a rivet failure. I'm not an engineer, but it seems to me that the rivets they've chosen are more than adequate for their smaller ante; /archives//html/Towertalk/2011-02/msg00358.html (13,130 bytes)
31. Re: [TowerTalk] Force12 rivets (score: 1): Author: <john@kk9a.com>; Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:45:49 -0500; I use hose clamps on my homebrew antennas and they work well for most installations. They hold the tubing securely and this method also makes the elements easy to adjust. Once everything is adjusted,; /archives//html/Towertalk/2011-02/msg00359.html (8,767 bytes)
32. Re: [TowerTalk] Force12 rivets (score: 1): Author: "Gene Fuller" <w2lu@rochester.rr.com>; Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:51:32 -0500; Assuming one rivet is strong enough to do the job the fact that they use three would indicate to me that not even the manufacturer doesn't trusts them. Perhaps a second for backup, but three.....? I; /archives//html/Towertalk/2011-02/msg00360.html (14,724 bytes)
33. Re: [TowerTalk] Force12 rivets (score: 1): Author: "Chet" <chetmoore@cox.net>; Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 13:36:22 -0500; Yesssssssss! Assuming one rivet is strong enough to do the job the fact that they use three would indicate to me that not even the manufacturer doesn't trusts them. Perhaps a second for backup, but t; /archives//html/Towertalk/2011-02/msg00361.html (15,670 bytes)
34. Re: [TowerTalk] Force12 rivets (score: 1): Author: Grant Saviers <grants2@pacbell.net>; Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 11:48:17 -0800; If you get on an airplane, you are trusting your life to rivets, some are pop rivets. Here is a manufacturer's website which covers much of the engineering. http://www.cherryaerospace.com/ There are; /archives//html/Towertalk/2011-02/msg00363.html (13,733 bytes)
35. Re: [TowerTalk] Force12 rivets (score: 1): Author: "Robert" <rgshauger@myyellowstone.net>; Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 11:58:12 -0800; Unfortunately this thread will be back in a couple months...it always does! _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ TowerTalk mailing list Towe; /archives//html/Towertalk/2011-02/msg00364.html (17,284 bytes)
36. Re: [TowerTalk] Force12 rivets (score: 1): Author: "N2TK, Tony" <tony.kaz@verizon.net>; Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:30:32 -0500; Hi Barry, At WP2Z we had just about a constant high updraft from the 900' drop-off. It loosened the rivets on the Force 12 antennas. N6BT from Force 12 offered this solution: - Install rivets 120 deg; /archives//html/Towertalk/2011-02/msg00365.html (10,465 bytes)
37. Re: [TowerTalk] Force12 rivets (score: 1): Author: "Dick Dievendorff" <dieven@comcast.net>; Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 14:19:38 -0800; I thought a well-aligned V-block and a drill press would be just the thing to drill the holes straight. Two drill sizes is fine with me... Nice summary! 73 de Dick, K6KR If you get on an airplane, yo; /archives//html/Towertalk/2011-02/msg00366.html (14,919 bytes)
38. Re: [TowerTalk] Force12 rivets (score: 1): Author: Jim Lux <jimlux@earthlink.net>; Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 14:50:38 -0800; A mandrel or something inside the tube also helps. A piece of rod with a cross drilled hole... _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ TowerTal; /archives//html/Towertalk/2011-02/msg00367.html (16,374 bytes)
39. Re: [TowerTalk] Force12 rivets (score: 1): Author: Stephen Davis <sdavis@davisrf.com>; Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 18:28:39 -0500; What material are the rivets made of that are supplied by Force 12?? Steve , K1PEK _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ TowerTalk mailing li; /archives//html/Towertalk/2011-02/msg00368.html (7,853 bytes)
40. [TowerTalk] Force12 rivets (score: 1): Author: "Jim Thomson" <jim.thom@telus.net>; Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 19:47:10 -0800; A mandrel or something inside the tube also helps. A piece of rod with a cross drilled hole... tubing..and it works VERY slick. Drill Guide Kit - DXE-D3206 http://www.dxengineering.com/Parts.asp?ID=2; /archives//html/Towertalk/2011-02/msg00383.html (11,352 bytes)

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