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1. [TowerTalk] One off balun question (score: 1)
Author: "Jim Thomson" <jim.thom@telus.net>
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 00:32:46 -0700
After looking at both Steve Hunt and Jim Browns material in depth, I have a general question. In regard to the many various 1:1 choke baluns on both their sites, has anybody actually measured the uh
/archives//html/Towertalk/2014-10/msg00439.html (7,573 bytes)

2. Re: [TowerTalk] One off balun question (score: 1)
Author: Steve Hunt <steve@karinya.net>
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 09:09:55 +0000
Jim, Yes - I've measured the inductance using a low frequency meter "just for fun"; but that's what it was - "just for fun" - it tells you little about the high frequency CM impedance of a choke, for
/archives//html/Towertalk/2014-10/msg00440.html (9,266 bytes)

3. Re: [TowerTalk] One off balun question (score: 1)
Author: "Jim Thomson" <jim.thom@telus.net>
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 03:22:18 -0700
choke. I was just interested to know how much uh you folks are seeing on these bigger CM chokes, where 5-15 turns of coax are used on 4-8 cores, that type of scenario. The only torroid CM choke I ha
/archives//html/Towertalk/2014-10/msg00441.html (10,902 bytes)

4. Re: [TowerTalk] One off balun question (score: 1)
Author: Steve Hunt <steve@karinya.net>
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 10:43:11 +0000
With 7 turns of RG58 on four stacked FT240-31 cores I measure 298uH. That's broadly consistent with Fair-Rite's published figure for the Initial Permeability (1500). Steve G3TXQ CM Z of a choke. I wa
/archives//html/Towertalk/2014-10/msg00442.html (7,536 bytes)

5. Re: [TowerTalk] One off balun question (score: 1)
Author: Jim Brown <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 16:48:27 -0700
On 10/30/2014 3:22 AM, Jim Thomson wrote: I realize the uh, measured at low freqs tells me little about the CM Z of a choke. I was just interested to know how much uh you folks are seeing on these bi
/archives//html/Towertalk/2014-10/msg00447.html (9,392 bytes)

6. Re: [TowerTalk] One off balun question (score: 1)
Author: Steve Hunt <steve@karinya.net>
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 10:50:16 +0000
I have a spreadsheet which does pretty much what Jim just described. One thing that interested me when I started looking at the "best fit" equivalent-circuit values was that the value of C varied dep
/archives//html/Towertalk/2014-10/msg00448.html (9,979 bytes)

7. Re: [TowerTalk] One off balun question (score: 1)
Author: Jim Brown <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 08:17:28 -0700
Variables include the turn spacing, the diameter of the choke, diectric constant of the cable outer insulator, the dielectric constant of the core material, and the portion of the winding influenced
/archives//html/Towertalk/2014-10/msg00450.html (8,995 bytes)

8. Re: [TowerTalk] One off balun question (score: 1)
Author: Steve Hunt <steve@karinya.net>
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 16:10:24 +0000
Jim, If I wind exactly the same number of turns of the same cable with identical spacing on the same-size toroids, but use two different core materials, I get very different values of equivalent C. T
/archives//html/Towertalk/2014-10/msg00451.html (10,603 bytes)

9. Re: [TowerTalk] One off balun question (score: 1)
Author: TexasRF--- via TowerTalk <towertalk@contesting.com>
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 12:30:33 -0400
Steve, is equivalent C something you measure or is it calculated? If measured, how do you do that? If calculated, how do you do that? Thanks, Gerald K5GW In a message dated 10/31/2014 9:10:52 A.M. Pa
/archives//html/Towertalk/2014-10/msg00452.html (10,839 bytes)

10. Re: [TowerTalk] One off balun question (score: 1)
Author: Steve Hunt <steve@karinya.net>
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 16:43:26 +0000
Gerald, I measured the choke resonant frequency using a 2-port VNA S21 measurement. I then calculated what the choke series-equivalent resistance and inductance would be at that resonant frequency us
/archives//html/Towertalk/2014-10/msg00453.html (8,776 bytes)

11. Re: [TowerTalk] One off balun question (score: 1)
Author: Jim Brown <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 23:17:24 -0700
I have yet to find a swept antenna analyzer or VNA that will measure chokes correctly above about 10 MHz, and I've tried that the the DG8SAQ VNWA. I don't have access to the good (and very expensive)
/archives//html/Towertalk/2014-11/msg00001.html (7,651 bytes)

12. Re: [TowerTalk] One off balun question (score: 1)
Author: Steve Hunt <steve@karinya.net>
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2014 09:36:23 +0000
I agree that simple S11 impedance measurements tend to produce false (low) resonant frequencies. And the higher the Q of the choke the bigger the error. But I can wind a high-Q air-cored choke, measu
/archives//html/Towertalk/2014-11/msg00002.html (9,205 bytes)

13. Re: [TowerTalk] One off balun question (score: 1)
Author: Steve Hunt <steve@karinya.net>
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2014 17:29:17 +0000
Just to develop this a little further .... I referred earlier to a spreadsheet I had produced that allows me to specify the number of turns, the number of stacked cores and the stray C of a choke usi
/archives//html/Towertalk/2014-11/msg00009.html (9,701 bytes)

14. Re: [TowerTalk] One off balun question (score: 1)
Author: "Ray, W4BYG" <w4byg@att.net>
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2014 12:10:30 -0400
Steve and Jim, Both of you gentlemen are recognized as very knowledgeable on the subject of chokes. So for those of us looking for testing guidance in brief, what is a good way to determine the resul
/archives//html/Towertalk/2014-11/msg00025.html (11,427 bytes)

15. Re: [TowerTalk] One off balun question (score: 1)
Author: Steve Hunt <steve@karinya.net>
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2014 16:44:19 +0000
Hi Ray, Here's a sketch of the test set-up I use with my VNA2180: http://www.karinya.net/g3txq/temp/s21/vna.png The choke under test fits between terminals A and B. If you compare it with Fig 40a (Pa
/archives//html/Towertalk/2014-11/msg00027.html (10,494 bytes)

16. Re: [TowerTalk] One off balun question (score: 1)
Author: Steve Hunt <steve@karinya.net>
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2014 17:37:18 +0000
I was just asked by PM what Rt is in my sketch here: http://www.karinya.net/g3txq/temp/s21/vna.png For others who may be wondering it is part of the representation of the choke. In other words the im
/archives//html/Towertalk/2014-11/msg00028.html (8,564 bytes)

17. Re: [TowerTalk] One off balun question (score: 1)
Author: Steve Hunt <steve@karinya.net>
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2014 20:35:36 +0000
I mentioned earlier the importance of the phase information provided by the VNA - it not only allows the choke R and X to be identified, but it also eliminates a measurement error in |Z| inherent at
/archives//html/Towertalk/2014-11/msg00030.html (9,455 bytes)

18. Re: [TowerTalk] One off balun question (score: 1)
Author: Steve Hunt <steve@karinya.net>
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2014 09:11:25 +0000
A number of folk have expressed interest via PMs in the spreadsheet I use to perform the calculation of choke R and X from the VNA data. In case there is wider interest it's available here: http://ww
/archives//html/Towertalk/2014-11/msg00031.html (9,673 bytes)


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