- 1. [TowerTalk] Vertical in pond (score: 1)
- Author: "Jim WB5OXQ inb Waco, TX" <wb5oxq@grandecom.net>
- Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:54:08 -0500
- Would there be much if any advantage to mounting a hf vertical on a mast in the center of a small fresh water pond. The pond is aproximately 80' in dameter and 10' deep in the center. I see coastal b
- /archives//html/Towertalk/2009-03/msg00451.html (6,871 bytes)
- 2. [TowerTalk] Vertical in pond (score: 1)
- Author: Roger Parsons <ve3zi@yahoo.com>
- Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 06:20:16 -0700 (PDT)
- Jim I'm not sure that this is exactly analagous, but I have a tri-band vertical mounted right at the edge of a reasonably large lake (~0.5km x 20km). I found that that dramatically improved its perfo
- /archives//html/Towertalk/2009-03/msg00463.html (7,453 bytes)
- 3. Re: [TowerTalk] Vertical in pond (score: 1)
- Author: Pete Smith <n4zr@contesting.com>
- Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:24:51 -0400
- Isn't it more likely that the ground characteristics in that location are more favorable than in the previous one? I can imagine ground well saturated with fresh water as having a sufficient quantity
- /archives//html/Towertalk/2009-03/msg00464.html (8,201 bytes)
- 4. [TowerTalk] Vertical in pond (score: 1)
- Author: "CRAIG CLARK" <jcclark@wildblue.net>
- Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:04:13 -0400
- 8. Vertical in pond (Jim WB5OXQ in Waco, TX) imho, the simple answer is no. fresh water is not the same as salt water. you need a radial field. Craig Clark K1QX Radioware PO Box 209 Rindge NH 03461 6
- /archives//html/Towertalk/2009-03/msg00469.html (7,238 bytes)
- 5. Re: [TowerTalk] Vertical in pond (score: 1)
- Author: Dan Zimmerman N3OX <n3ox@n3ox.net>
- Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:44:22 -0400
- There should be less field cancellation at very low angles for a vertical that looks out over fresh water... look up "Pseudo Brewster Angle" in your favorite antenna book. If I change the earth diele
- /archives//html/Towertalk/2009-03/msg00471.html (9,785 bytes)
- 6. Re: [TowerTalk] Vertical in pond (score: 1)
- Author: K4SAV <RadioIR@charter.net>
- Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:05:29 -0500
- N3OX wrote: An important thing for the original poster: the lake has to be very large for this to work,............... Also it has to be very deep. Those gain numbers you got from EZNEC assume an inf
- /archives//html/Towertalk/2009-03/msg00473.html (11,380 bytes)
- 7. Re: [TowerTalk] Vertical in pond (score: 1)
- Author: "john@kk9a.com" <kk9a@bellsouth.net>
- Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:42:35 -0700 (PDT)
- Are you sure that there is pseudo-Brewster enhancement over fresh water? John KK9A There should be less field cancellation at very low angles for a vertical that looks out over fresh water... look up
- /archives//html/Towertalk/2009-03/msg00475.html (9,623 bytes)
- 8. Re: [TowerTalk] Vertical in pond (score: 1)
- Author: Jon Kåre Hellan <hellan@acm.org>
- Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:23:14 +0100
- If it isn't, he could salt it. Assuming average depth is half of depth at centre, 6 tons would give about 1 % salinity. Seawater is 3 1/2. Not sure what salinity you need to be as good as 64 radials.
- /archives//html/Towertalk/2009-03/msg00481.html (7,551 bytes)
- 9. Re: [TowerTalk] Vertical in pond (score: 1)
- Author: "David Thompson" <thompson@mindspring.com>
- Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:25:12 -0400
- I have worked PY3CEJ in Brazil several times on 160 and he almost always the loudest station in that part of the world. He has a big vertical in the middle of a small lake. Years ago when my club sta
- /archives//html/Towertalk/2009-03/msg00482.html (8,730 bytes)
- 10. Re: [TowerTalk] Vertical in pond (score: 1)
- Author: "Its from Onion" <aredandgold@msn.com>
- Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:38:00 -0500
- OR maybe he could get a grant from the government for a study in the formation of a artificial saltwater marsh! Hey, stranger things have been studied AND PAID FOR by U.S. tax payers! Lee KE4VYN If i
- /archives//html/Towertalk/2009-03/msg00484.html (8,215 bytes)
- 11. Re: [TowerTalk] Vertical in pond (score: 1)
- Author: Roger Parsons <ve3zi@yahoo.com>
- Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:52:24 -0700 (PDT)
- I really don't know the reason - my experience is purely anecdotal. I do not however think it is much to do with the conductivity or otherwise of the water. The water is pretty pure (drinkable withou
- /archives//html/Towertalk/2009-03/msg00498.html (10,502 bytes)
- 12. Re: [TowerTalk] Vertical in pond (score: 1)
- Author: "W0MU Mike Fatchett" <w0mu@w0mu.com>
- Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:16:48 -0600
- I don't have any proof either but my tower/antennas in Colorado sits in an area where we have a small creek running through the property. We have water constantly in a pond so there is always water c
- /archives//html/Towertalk/2009-03/msg00500.html (12,378 bytes)
- 13. Re: [TowerTalk] Vertical in pond (score: 1)
- Author: Richards <jruing@ameritech.net>
- Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:45:07 -0400
- I have a good friend, and an old ham, retired electrical engineer, who has a vertical and a dipole over a swamp and he says both works swell. == K8JHR == _____________________________________________
- /archives//html/Towertalk/2009-03/msg00503.html (7,957 bytes)
- 14. Re: [TowerTalk] Vertical in pond (score: 1)
- Author: Richards <jruing@ameritech.net>
- Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 23:19:59 -0400
- It seems to me that electrolytes need not always be from salt. Electrolyte: A chemical compound that ionizes when dissolved or molten to produce an electrically conductive medium. Could a fresh water
- /archives//html/Towertalk/2009-03/msg00506.html (8,602 bytes)
- 15. Re: [TowerTalk] Vertical in pond (score: 1)
- Author: "Jim WB5OXQ inb Waco, TX" <wb5oxq@grandecom.net>
- Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:39:10 -0500
- I have seen pictures of AM broadcast stations that installed their antenna tower just above the water in a fresh water lake. If there was no advantage to that why would they not just put their tower
- /archives//html/Towertalk/2009-03/msg00507.html (8,957 bytes)
- 16. Re: [TowerTalk] Vertical in pond (score: 1)
- Author: "NE6V" <NE6V@roadrunner.com>
- Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:38:17 -0700
- we have a pond here and talk about minerals, if you take your handy dandy mineral test kit out you'd be very surprised what is in there, its a constant fight to keep the water just right for our koi.
- /archives//html/Towertalk/2009-03/msg00508.html (12,496 bytes)
- 17. Re: [TowerTalk] Vertical in pond (score: 1)
- Author: "David Thompson" <thompson@mindspring.com>
- Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 00:43:11 -0400
- I looked at the PY3CEJ listing on QRZ and it only shows his station. I am told he has 200+ DXCC entities on 160 SSB. He submitted logs several years for the CQ WW 160 SSB. I work him in April and May
- /archives//html/Towertalk/2009-03/msg00509.html (9,221 bytes)
- 18. Re: [TowerTalk] Vertical in pond (score: 1)
- Author: "W0MU Mike Fatchett" <w0mu@w0mu.com>
- Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:45:31 -0600
- Fish Fry! Whoopee! Everything looks better with a big vertical in the middle of it right! CC Packet Cluster W0MU-1 W0MU.NET or 67.40.148.194 "A slip of the foot you may soon recover, but a slip of th
- /archives//html/Towertalk/2009-03/msg00510.html (13,385 bytes)
- 19. Re: [TowerTalk] Vertical in pond (score: 1)
- Author: Dan Brown <dan@kxaz.com>
- Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:40:44 -0700 (PDT)
- Gentlemen, As a commercial boadcaster running a AM station, KPGE, I would give anything to be located in a swamp. As I travel around and see stations located in swampy areas I am green with envy.
- /archives//html/Towertalk/2009-03/msg00516.html (14,351 bytes)
- 20. Re: [TowerTalk] Vertical in pond (score: 1)
- Author: Richards <jruing@ameritech.net>
- Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 01:59:48 -0400
- So... I guess I will wanna run the sprinklers all summer in the back yard.... the wife will like that. I think it is a waste... but now I guess she gets her way back there! Not sure I will tell her m
- /archives//html/Towertalk/2009-03/msg00519.html (8,391 bytes)
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