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21. Re: [TowerTalk] Temporary Guys (score: 1): Author: "Dick Green WC1M" <wc1m73@gmail.com>; Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 01:55:03 -0400; John, thanks for posting this. I hope it convinces people to carefully consider their next temporary guy arrangement. I thought about it a lot when I installed my 110' Rohn 55 tower on a pier pin bas; /archives//html/Towertalk/2011-04/msg00026.html (14,491 bytes)
22. Re: [TowerTalk] Temporary Guys (score: 1): Author: Steve Maki <lists@oakcom.org>; Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2011 09:01:20 -0400; <snip> Well, there's rope, and then there's rope. Yes, the rope one might find Home Depot is not useful for temporary guys, but there ARE low stretch ropes which would be entirely suitable if tension; /archives//html/Towertalk/2011-04/msg00028.html (8,361 bytes)
23. Re: [TowerTalk] Temporary guys (score: 1): Author: <john@kk9a.com>; Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 10:32:46 -0400; I use nylon rope all the time for tower work and for supporting temporary antennas and I have never seen the stretch that you describe Roger. Actually I like a little stretch when installing large an; /archives//html/Towertalk/2011-04/msg00031.html (8,909 bytes)
24. Re: [TowerTalk] Temporary guys (score: 1): Author: Grant Saviers <grants2@pacbell.net>; Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2011 09:21:01 -0700; Use a large enough nylon rope (5/8 - 3/4") and you might be ok. However, think about what the rope tension becomes as a section of tower gets out of vertical. It is impossible to pull a horizontal po; /archives//html/Towertalk/2011-04/msg00036.html (11,346 bytes)
25. Re: [TowerTalk] Temporary guys (score: 1): Author: "Mike Ryan" <mryan001@tampabay.rr.com>; Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 12:26:13 -0400; Some people don't get it. - m Use a large enough nylon rope (5/8 - 3/4") and you might be ok. However, think about what the rope tension becomes as a section of tower gets out of vertical. It is impo; /archives//html/Towertalk/2011-04/msg00037.html (13,031 bytes)
26. Re: [TowerTalk] Temporary guys (score: 1): Author: K8RI on TT <k8ri-on-towertalk@tm.net>; Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2011 13:36:13 -0400; I don't think I'd want to be on a tower with temp guys that could easily move 10-15 feet with a 100 foot guy line length. <:-)) Dacron and other synthetics give a little, but are far more stable than; /archives//html/Towertalk/2011-04/msg00043.html (8,614 bytes)
27. Re: [TowerTalk] Temporary Guys (score: 1): Author: Wayne Kline <w3ea@hotmail.com>; Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 15:58:38 -0400; TT's Erecting Towers and installing antennas, I have come to one conclusion, NO two installations are identical. and there are many ways to skin a Cat ( sorry animal lovers ) Discussing the use of te; /archives//html/Towertalk/2011-04/msg00044.html (11,506 bytes)
28. Re: [TowerTalk] Temporary Guys (score: 1): Author: "Mike Ryan" <mryan001@tampabay.rr.com>; Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 16:05:22 -0400; Now you're talking Waye.......rope is for tying up your boat, your dog, or your mother-in-law. -Mike TT's Erecting Towers and installing antennas, I have come to one conclusion, NO two installations; /archives//html/Towertalk/2011-04/msg00045.html (12,894 bytes)
29. Re: [TowerTalk] Temporary Guys (score: 1): Author: Steve Maki <lists@oakcom.org>; Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2011 16:12:40 -0400; At least, the kind of rope you're apparently familiar with. Good rope can be FAR superior to the kind of temporary steel lines that are being discussed, and much too expensive to tie up a mother-in-l; /archives//html/Towertalk/2011-04/msg00046.html (12,374 bytes)
30. Re: [TowerTalk] Temporary Guys (score: 1): Author: "Chuck" <w5pr@swbell.net>; Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 19:21:16 -0500; I may have missed something here. Perhaps someone could explain it to me. I have been a ham well over 50 years and have put up and helped put up quite a few towers. I have never seen the need for tem; /archives//html/Towertalk/2011-04/msg00052.html (8,440 bytes)
31. Re: [TowerTalk] Temporary Guys (score: 1): Author: Steve Maki <lists@oakcom.org>; Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2011 20:57:38 -0400; A number of scenarios might cause one to consider temp guys: 1) New tower using a pier pin base where you don't have access to a boom truck to stand the first few sections up. You walk one or two sec; /archives//html/Towertalk/2011-04/msg00053.html (9,590 bytes)
32. Re: [TowerTalk] Temporary guys (score: 1): Author: <john@kk9a.com>; Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 22:18:30 -0400; My post shown below was in response K8RI's post regarding nylon rope. http://lists.contesting.com/archives//html/Towertalk/2011-03/msg00471.html . K8RI stated he had severe stretching in 24 hours whe; /archives//html/Towertalk/2011-04/msg00054.html (10,004 bytes)
33. Re: [TowerTalk] Temporary Guys (score: 1): Author: Donald Chester <k4kyv@hotmail.com>; Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 04:20:16 +0000; I would not consider any kind of fibre rope for temporary guys for several reasons already cited here. One more danger is the possibility of improper tying. That happened to me years ago putting up a; /archives//html/Towertalk/2011-04/msg00055.html (14,826 bytes)
34. Re: [TowerTalk] Temporary Guys (score: 1): Author: Al Kozakiewicz <akozak@hourglass.com>; Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 00:43:56 -0400; I've never erected a guyed tower, but I was curious about the engineering behind that. The thermal coefficient of expansion of steel is 0.00000645 in/in/def F. Calculating for 115' of guy wires, I co; /archives//html/Towertalk/2011-04/msg00056.html (9,299 bytes)
35. Re: [TowerTalk] Temporary Guys (score: 1): Author: Jim Brown <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>; Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2011 01:01:49 -0700; Think of them as a tool. I've used them several ways. First, on Field Day for short towers. Second to hold two 10 ft sections of Rohn 25 plumb with the bottom section 4 ft below grade while I pour co; /archives//html/Towertalk/2011-04/msg00060.html (9,369 bytes)
36. Re: [TowerTalk] Temporary Guys (score: 1): Author: Jim Lux <jimlux@earthlink.net>; Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 06:23:52 -0700; Not sure if you're including synthetics( e.g. Nylon, polyester, etc) in fibre, but climbers quite literally trust their lives to knots,bas do most travellers of the roads (truckers often secure their; /archives//html/Towertalk/2011-04/msg00063.html (8,652 bytes)
37. Re: [TowerTalk] Temporary Guys (score: 1): Author: K8RI on TT <k8ri-on-towertalk@tm.net>; Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2011 13:56:06 -0400; Sisal, or Hemp rope is difficult to check for aging, or I was never able to easily evaluate it. On the farm, many years ago , and I do mean many (I was probably around 18 to 20 at the time), we used; /archives//html/Towertalk/2011-04/msg00067.html (11,333 bytes)
38. Re: [TowerTalk] Temporary Guys (score: 1): Author: <john@kk9a.com>; Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 18:30:47 -0400; They are also used to install a tower on a pier pin base, where the tower base is just sitting on top of the concrete pad. Think of them as a tool. I've used them several ways. First, on Field Day fo; /archives//html/Towertalk/2011-04/msg00076.html (8,853 bytes)

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