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1. [TowerTalk] what size wire for kilowatt TX ?? (score: 1)
Author: chas <chasm@texas.net>
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 22:04:13 -0600
Feeling sorry for those poor souls who moved out of the wrong side of the track neighborhoods and left their towers and antenna farms to go live in gated communities where they are trying to figure o
/archives//html/Towertalk/2009-01/msg00046.html (7,258 bytes)

2. Re: [TowerTalk] what size wire for kilowatt TX ?? (score: 1)
Author: jimlux <jimlux@earthlink.net>
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 07:56:51 -0800
how much loss are you willing to tolerate. A kilowatt into 50 ohms is 1000=I^2*50 -> I = sqrt(1000/50)=sqrt(20), about 4.5 Amps (RMS). 30 ga wire is 0.1 ohm/ft, a 40m dipole is 66 ft of wire (althoug
/archives//html/Towertalk/2009-01/msg00048.html (10,015 bytes)

3. Re: [TowerTalk] what size wire for kilowatt TX ?? (score: 1)
Author: "Martin Ewing" <martin.s.ewing@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:58:26 -0500
Chas, A little math shows that 5.5 Amps rms into 50 ohms is 1.5 kW. My handbook says the DC "fusing current" of #26 copper is 20 Amps. RF skin effects increase the resistance (perhaps by 5X at 10 MHz
/archives//html/Towertalk/2009-01/msg00049.html (10,363 bytes)

4. Re: [TowerTalk] what size wire for kilowatt TX ?? (score: 1)
Author: jimlux <jimlux@earthlink.net>
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 08:26:34 -0800
Good point (although I don't think the dissipation goes up as the square of resistance) Handy skin depth calculator: http://www.microwaves101.com/encyclopedia/calsdepth.cfm AWG 30 is 10 mils in diame
/archives//html/Towertalk/2009-01/msg00051.html (10,948 bytes)

5. Re: [TowerTalk] what size wire for kilowatt TX ?? (score: 1)
Author: "Roger (K8RI)" <K8RI-on-TowerTalk@tm.net>
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 14:29:51 -0500
P=I^2 R 73 Roger (K8RI) _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ TowerTalk mailing list TowerTalk@contesting.com http://lists.contesting.com/mai
/archives//html/Towertalk/2009-01/msg00054.html (8,380 bytes)

6. Re: [TowerTalk] what size wire for kilowatt TX ?? (score: 1)
Author: "Martin Ewing" <martin.s.ewing@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 15:46:40 -0500
You're right, of course. But I was only off by one in the exponent... :-( -mse -- Martin Ewing, AA6E Branford, CT _______________________________________________ _____________________________________
/archives//html/Towertalk/2009-01/msg00055.html (8,985 bytes)

7. Re: [TowerTalk] what size wire for kilowatt TX ?? (score: 1)
Author: Steve Hunt <steve@karinya.net>
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 21:46:44 +0000
Nope - the current will be much higher in an electrically short antenna. What matters is not its high reactance - that will get tuned out by the matching circuitry - but the low radiation resistance
/archives//html/Towertalk/2009-01/msg00057.html (8,298 bytes)

8. Re: [TowerTalk] what size wire for kilowatt TX ?? (score: 1)
Author: "Martin Ewing" <martin.s.ewing@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:17:55 -0500
I'm not buying that! Current flow depends on impedance, R+jX, not radiation resistance. Your short whip runs at high voltage and low current. There is lots of current in the matching network, but lit
/archives//html/Towertalk/2009-01/msg00058.html (10,289 bytes)

9. Re: [TowerTalk] what size wire for kilowatt TX ?? (score: 1)
Author: Richards <jruing@ameritech.net>
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 18:56:33 -0500
Can any of you guys say the conclusion in plain English. I am new at this and still learning electrical theory. So... good idea or not? feasible or not? Call the fire dept or not? I am studying for t
/archives//html/Towertalk/2009-01/msg00060.html (9,142 bytes)

10. Re: [TowerTalk] what size wire for kilowatt TX ?? (score: 1)
Author: K4SAV <RadioIR@charter.net>
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 22:00:15 -0600
..."I'm not buying that! Current flow depends on impedance, R+jX, not radiation resistance."..... Ah, but it's confusing. For a short vertical that is not tuned to resonance, if the source is a volta
/archives//html/Towertalk/2009-01/msg00062.html (12,266 bytes)

11. Re: [TowerTalk] what size wire for kilowatt TX ?? (score: 1)
Author: "Martin Ewing" <martin.s.ewing@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 01:03:36 -0500
When I said a short vertical, I meant electrically short, i.e. << one wavelength (and also << 1/4 wavelength). Such a monopole above a ground plane always presents a high impedance, and it's mainly c
/archives//html/Towertalk/2009-01/msg00064.html (14,506 bytes)

12. Re: [TowerTalk] what size wire for kilowatt TX ?? (score: 1)
Author: K4SAV <RadioIR@charter.net>
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 02:14:57 -0600
Martin wrote: ..."When I said a short vertical, I meant electrically short, i.e. << one wavelength (and also << 1/4 wavelength). Such a monopole above a ground plane always presents a high impedance,
/archives//html/Towertalk/2009-01/msg00067.html (10,711 bytes)

13. Re: [TowerTalk] what size wire for kilowatt TX ?? (score: 1)
Author: Steve Hunt <steve@karinya.net>
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 09:15:50 +0000
Martin, with respect this is completely wrong. Take a simple example of a shortened dipole that's only a quarter-wavelength overall length. It has a feedpoint impedance of about 13-j750. If this ante
/archives//html/Towertalk/2009-01/msg00069.html (10,736 bytes)

14. Re: [TowerTalk] what size wire for kilowatt TX ?? (score: 1)
Author: Steve Hunt <steve@karinya.net>
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 13:13:23 +0000
To further illustrate what is happening here, I took my "quarter-wave" dipole example, matched it with a simple L network at 30 MHz (series 4.1uH inductor and shunt 180pF capacitor) and looked at the
/archives//html/Towertalk/2009-01/msg00073.html (12,031 bytes)

15. Re: [TowerTalk] what size wire for kilowatt TX ?? (score: 1)
Author: Steve Hunt <steve@karinya.net>
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 13:54:12 +0000
Dave, I don't know of any programme that will calculate the voltages and currents - I just did it the "hard way" with Smith Chart and a pocket calculator :) If you simply want to see what sort of com
/archives//html/Towertalk/2009-01/msg00074.html (9,708 bytes)

16. Re: [TowerTalk] what size wire for kilowatt TX ?? (score: 1)
Author: Steve Hunt <steve@karinya.net>
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 14:01:13 +0000
Apologies - that was the local link on my PC! The Tuner simulator is at: http://fermi.la.asu.edu/w9cf/tuner/tuner.html 73, Steve G3TXQ _______________________________________________ ________________
/archives//html/Towertalk/2009-01/msg00075.html (9,285 bytes)

17. Re: [TowerTalk] what size wire for kilowatt TX ?? (score: 1)
Author: K4SAV <RadioIR@charter.net>
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 09:40:03 -0600
G3TXQ wrote: I don't know of any programme that will calculate the voltages and currents - I just did it the "hard way" with Smith Chart and a pocket calculator EZNEC will give it to you. To get the
/archives//html/Towertalk/2009-01/msg00077.html (9,208 bytes)

18. Re: [TowerTalk] what size wire for kilowatt TX ?? (score: 1)
Author: jimlux <jimlux@earthlink.net>
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 09:26:44 -0800
Taking your 13-j750 as the feedpoint impedance (including loss resistance within the antenna), if you're actually dissipating 1kW (either by radiation or IR loss), the inphase component of the curren
/archives//html/Towertalk/2009-01/msg00079.html (10,424 bytes)

19. Re: [TowerTalk] what size wire for kilowatt TX ?? (score: 1)
Author: Steve Hunt <steve@karinya.net>
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 17:49:08 +0000
Jim, Nope! [13-j750] is the equivalent SERIES representation of the feedpoint impedance, so the same 8.7 Amps flows through the resistive part AND the reactive part; there is no 500 Amps flowing anyw
/archives//html/Towertalk/2009-01/msg00081.html (11,019 bytes)

20. Re: [TowerTalk] what size wire for kilowatt TX ?? (score: 1)
Author: Steve Hunt <steve@karinya.net>
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 18:57:24 +0000
Bud, There's no mystery - the other 860 Watts gets dissipated in the 2.4 Ohms loading coil loss resistance and the 4 Ohms Ground loss assumed by HI-Q. The maths all hangs together: Efficiency = Rrad/
/archives//html/Towertalk/2009-01/msg00082.html (9,696 bytes)


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