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1. Topband: 2 wl loop, worth the effort? (score: 1)
Author: NC3Z Gary <nc3z@outlook.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 03:00:38 +0000
I have been contemplating a sky loop to replace my coax 160/80M fan dipole. The loop would be fed with ladder line so I could use it on 160-40M. It would take a bit more effort clearing an area to ge
/archives//html/Topband/2015-12/msg00007.html (7,314 bytes)

2. Topband: 2 wl loop, worth the effort? (score: 1)
Author: Rob Atkinson <ranchorobbo@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 11:53:39 -0600
Hi Gary, It would make a nice receiving antenna. Let's start with a question: Would you put up a loop for 20 meters that is 6 feet off the ground? Height for horizontal antennas must always be though
/archives//html/Topband/2015-12/msg00008.html (7,579 bytes)

3. Re: Topband: 2 wl loop, worth the effort? (score: 1)
Author: kolson@rcn.com
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 13:48:54 -0500 (EST)
Well Rob, if you read Gary's email, you will find that he is interested in communicating "...with the hams I daily keep in touch with in the 500-600 mile range." The loop may be a great antenna for t
/archives//html/Topband/2015-12/msg00009.html (10,003 bytes)

4. Re: Topband: 2 wl loop, worth the effort? (score: 1)
Author: Don Kirk <wd8dsb@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 14:02:34 -0500
Hi Rob (and gang), I would like to make one point that should be considered in this discussion. A true vertical which is what I use (not an inverted L) on 160 meters is sometimes horrible on 160 mete
/archives//html/Topband/2015-12/msg00010.html (10,541 bytes)

5. Re: Topband: 2 wl loop, worth the effort? (score: 1)
Author: Jim Brown <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 11:28:24 -0800
On Wed,12/2/2015 11:02 AM, Don Kirk wrote: Therefore while I don't disagree that a vertical on 160 meters is a great antenna especially for DX work, for working stations in close it sometimes can be
/archives//html/Topband/2015-12/msg00011.html (8,628 bytes)

6. Re: Topband: 2 wl loop, worth the effort? (score: 1)
Author: "Tom W8JI" <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 15:04:48 -0500
You are misinterpreting the model data by looking at the shape of the pattern rather than the relative strength of the pattern at angles of interest. Example -- the so-called "take off angle" simply
/archives//html/Topband/2015-12/msg00012.html (9,172 bytes)

7. Re: Topband: 2 wl loop, worth the effort? (score: 1)
Author: Mike Waters <mikewate@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 14:05:35 -0600
160m is a band for vertical polarization. www.w0btu.com/160_meters.html I am a happy user of an inverted-L hung from a tree. Those that don't have room for resonant elevated radials like mine can use
/archives//html/Topband/2015-12/msg00013.html (7,952 bytes)

8. Re: Topband: 2 wl loop, worth the effort? (score: 1)
Author: <mikestahoe@sbcglobal.net>
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 20:07:45 +0000 (UTC)
For what its worth Id stick with the dipoles at that height. I tried 1,2 and 3 wave length loops at ~110 ft (vs dipole at 110 ft) and "on the average" the dipole worked the best. This is completely u
/archives//html/Topband/2015-12/msg00014.html (9,217 bytes)

9. Re: Topband: 2 wl loop, worth the effort? (score: 1)
Author: Mike Waters <mikewate@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 14:25:59 -0600
Model a low 1-wl loop, and you'll see why it was quieter. 1. There's not quite as much low-angle response. Most local noise comes from very low angles. 2. More ground loss. 73, Mike www.w0btu.com ___
/archives//html/Topband/2015-12/msg00015.html (7,724 bytes)

10. Re: Topband: 2 wl loop, worth the effort? (score: 1)
Author: Mike Waters <mikewate@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 14:35:52 -0600
I should have added that in some types of weather, a dipole may have more corona (which makes noise) off the ends than a loop. I have an EZNEC model of a low loop, if someone wants it. 73, Mike www.w
/archives//html/Topband/2015-12/msg00016.html (8,276 bytes)

11. Re: Topband: 2 wl loop, worth the effort? (score: 1)
Author: Mike Waters <mikewate@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 14:43:42 -0600
Forget I said all that. I looked at the model and found some possible mistakes. And I don't have any more time now to fix it. 73, Mike www.w0btu.com _________________ Topband Reflector Archives - htt
/archives//html/Topband/2015-12/msg00017.html (8,144 bytes)

12. Re: Topband: 2 wl loop, worth the effort? (score: 1)
Author: Gary and Kathleen Pearse <pearse@gci.net>
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 12:05:01 -0900
Try putting a closed reflector wire under a 1 WL horizontal loop. Lay it on the ground or bury. Use insulated wire and size per typical loops~+5% at design frequency. Experiment by listening to weak
/archives//html/Topband/2015-12/msg00018.html (8,401 bytes)

13. Re: Topband: 2 wl loop, worth the effort? (score: 1)
Author: James Rodenkirch <Rodenkirch_LLC@msn.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 21:29:53 +0000
Kevin - I'm in a more tenuous position with Rob than you!!! I operate QRP on 160 -- you can bet if Rob gets wind of that he'll think I'm REALLY peeing in his Wheaties, 'eh???? 71.5/72 de Jim R. K9JWV
/archives//html/Topband/2015-12/msg00019.html (11,073 bytes)

14. Re: Topband: 2 wl loop, worth the effort? (score: 1)
Author: Don Kirk <wd8dsb@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 17:09:35 -0500
Hi Tom, You said "Compared to a vertical, there could be 10-30 dB difference in favor of a low dipole (less than 150 ft high) within a few hundred miles.", and I was pretty much trying to make the sa
/archives//html/Topband/2015-12/msg00020.html (9,958 bytes)

15. Re: Topband: 2 wl loop, worth the effort? (score: 1)
Author: NC3Z Gary <nc3z@outlook.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 00:43:05 +0000
Thanks for all the replies, guess the consensus is it is not worth the effort to put up a 2wl loop over a 1wl. I know several mentioned verticals but I really was interested in the loop option. This
/archives//html/Topband/2015-12/msg00022.html (9,282 bytes)

16. Re: Topband: 2 wl loop, worth the effort? (score: 1)
Author: "Tom W8JI" <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 19:54:42 -0500
You said "Compared to a vertical, there could be 10-30 dB difference in favor of a low dipole (less than 150 ft high) within a few hundred miles.", and I was pretty much trying to make the same point
/archives//html/Topband/2015-12/msg00023.html (10,029 bytes)

17. Re: Topband: 2 wl loop, worth the effort? (score: 1)
Author: Rob Atkinson <ranchorobbo@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 05:39:33 -0600
I apologize if I ticked anyone off; I'm just trying to help hams understand what is needed to get out. This is not directed at any one person. The topic came up and I have an opinion based on experie
/archives//html/Topband/2015-12/msg00029.html (8,930 bytes)

18. Re: Topband: 2 wl loop, worth the effort? (score: 1)
Author: "TRM" <mort.g2jl@ntlworld.com>
Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2015 07:05:21 -0500
10 dB or more of noise ? Mein Gott ! Oh for such a quiet QTH ! 73 - Mort, G2JL _________________ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
/archives//html/Topband/2015-12/msg00030.html (7,853 bytes)

19. Re: Topband: 2 wl loop, worth the effort? (score: 1)
Author: Rob Atkinson <ranchorobbo@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 08:46:15 -0600
I should have written "10 dB or more _additional_ noise." This is a serious problem and is on the radar of the medium wave broadcast industry as well: http://www.radioworld.com/article/afcce-symposiu
/archives//html/Topband/2015-12/msg00033.html (8,240 bytes)


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