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21. Re: Topband: Modeling the proverbial "vertical on a beach" (score: 1)
Author: "Tom W8JI" <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 20:14:09 -0400
Oh, here comes the "guru" again. :-) Is that immature stuff really necessary? Unnecessary debate? We are talking about experiences and RESULTS of comparing normal in land "ground" effect vs. salt wa
/archives//html/Topband/2014-08/msg00101.html (11,591 bytes)

22. Re: Topband: Modeling the proverbial "vertical on a beach" (score: 1)
Author: Yuri Blanarovich <k3bu@optimum.net>
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 21:35:51 -0400 (EDT)
Oh, here comes the "guru" again. :-) Is that immature stuff really necessary? Subject of effect of ground, salt water front was discussed, some experiences were mentioned, but you  judge it "unneces
/archives//html/Topband/2014-08/msg00102.html (15,389 bytes)

23. Re: Topband: Modeling the proverbial "vertical on a beach" (score: 1)
Author: "Hardy Landskov" <n7rt@cox.net>
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 18:55:46 -0700
Yuri, I don't think K3LR, W3LPL could afford that kind of property to begin with plus they have to work and have families and all of that. It is nice to do that kind of thing on DXPD's but I would no
/archives//html/Topband/2014-08/msg00103.html (15,891 bytes)

24. Re: Topband: Modeling the proverbial "vertical on a beach" (score: 1)
Author: <w7dra@juno.com>
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 22:06:38 -0700
this brings back a lot of memories..........i arrived on rarotonga a week after a French Dxpidition did, who was set up in the K2KW motel room with vertical antennas on the beach just as you would im
/archives//html/Topband/2014-08/msg00104.html (15,888 bytes)

25. Topband: Modeling the proverbial "vertical on a beach" (score: 1)
Author: "Richard Fry" <rfry@adams.net>
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 08:34:13 -0500
The link in the opening post of this thread shows an interesting, animated analysis of the elevation gains of a monopole, based on a NEC far-field analysis not including the surface wave. I then post
/archives//html/Topband/2014-08/msg00107.html (8,572 bytes)

26. Re: Topband: Modeling the proverbial "vertical on a beach" (score: 1)
Author: "Tom W8JI" <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 09:47:06 -0400
this brings back a lot of memories..........i arrived on rarotonga a week after a French Dxpidition did, who was set up in the K2KW motel room with vertical antennas on the beach just as you would im
/archives//html/Topband/2014-08/msg00109.html (10,082 bytes)

27. Re: Topband: Modeling the proverbial "vertical on a beach" (score: 1)
Author: "Carl" <km1h@jeremy.mv.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 11:19:47 -0400
There is a lot more to winning an all band DX contest besides a great 160M location. Tim and Frank picked locations carefully for low noise, used the various tools to understand propagation and the a
/archives//html/Topband/2014-08/msg00110.html (20,308 bytes)

28. Re: Topband: Modeling the proverbial "vertical on a beach" (score: 1)
Author: <w7dra@juno.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 08:49:14 -0700
im ny life i have never been is a quieter radio location than rarotonga! mike w7dra ____________________________________________________________ 4 Fish to Never Eat Click to Learn 4 Fish to NEVER Eat
/archives//html/Topband/2014-08/msg00111.html (10,442 bytes)

29. Re: Topband: Modeling the proverbial "vertical on a beach" (score: 1)
Author: Yuri Blanarovich <k3bu@optimum.net>
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 13:42:20 -0400 (EDT)
Modeling programs are an excellent tool to calculate and predict some properties of antennas - radiators. What they do not "see" is the propagation mechanism after RF leaves the antenna. "Space wave"
/archives//html/Topband/2014-08/msg00114.html (11,668 bytes)

30. Re: Topband: Modeling the proverbial "vertical on a beach" (score: 1)
Author: Merv Schweigert <k9fd@flex.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 08:57:14 -1000
Wow the more this thread goes the deeper the s**t gets, the first poster has no chance,, reminds me of a pig wrestling contest, you jump in and all you do is get is full of mud and s**t. Im heading d
/archives//html/Topband/2014-08/msg00115.html (12,588 bytes)

31. Re: Topband: Modeling the proverbial "vertical on a beach" (score: 1)
Author: Guy Olinger K2AV <k2av.guy@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 16:54:58 -0400
A contest certainly is not only about transmit signal strength, nor is the lowest angle propagation always the most productive. There is always the 27 dB gain between the operator's ears (or lack of
/archives//html/Topband/2014-08/msg00116.html (13,788 bytes)

32. Re: Topband: Modeling the proverbial "vertical on a beach" (score: 1)
Author: "Tom W8JI" <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 21:28:52 -0400
One would think if there was a 10-20 db penalty, it would show on skimmers and that W2GD would be unbeatable being on the water. I'm sure I'm missing something. What is it I am missing? A contest cer
/archives//html/Topband/2014-08/msg00117.html (13,773 bytes)

33. Re: Topband: Modeling the proverbial "vertical on a beach" (score: 1)
Author: Radio KH6O <radio.kh6o@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 20:12:21 -0700
Anyone who is familiar with the San Francisco Bay Area has noted KGO's three AM broadcast band transmitting antennas located *IN* the water of the East Bay. From KGO's history page: "Three 300-foot t
/archives//html/Topband/2014-08/msg00118.html (11,182 bytes)

34. Re: Topband: Modeling the proverbial "vertical on a beach" (score: 1)
Author: "Richard (Rick) Karlquist" <richard@karlquist.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 22:00:06 -0700
You would think this would make KGO a superstation, however, my experience is that KGO's signal is nothing special. I used to listen to KGO and KFI (Los Angeles) when I lived in Seattle, and KFI, des
/archives//html/Topband/2014-08/msg00119.html (11,549 bytes)

35. Re: Topband: Modeling the proverbial "vertical on a beach" (score: 1)
Author: Tim Shoppa <tshoppa@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 08:49:32 -0400
"Vertical on a beach" DXpeditions have a very different mindset about choosing operating hours and greyline openings, than other kinds of DXpeditions. Often they are also away from the RFI sources th
/archives//html/Topband/2014-08/msg00121.html (15,691 bytes)

36. Topband: Modeling the proverbial "vertical on a beach" (score: 1)
Author: "k1fz" <k1fz@myfairpoint.net>
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 08:52:05 -0400
Also, KFI can be heard at noon in the SF Bay Area on ground wave, but the same cannot be said of KGO in the LA area. I would concede that KGO seems to have the superior ground wave signal across the
/archives//html/Topband/2014-08/msg00122.html (9,595 bytes)

37. Re: Topband: Modeling the proverbial "vertical on a beach" (score: 1)
Author: "Hugh Valentine" <hsvdds@juno.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 16:52:31 GMT
All,I am not very educated in these matters so I have nothing specific to add other than this: 1-We have some really bright "friends" who share the love of this exciting Hobby. And a true friend will
/archives//html/Topband/2014-08/msg00123.html (17,571 bytes)

38. Re: Topband: Modeling the proverbial "vertical on a beach" (score: 1)
Author: Michael Tope <W4EF@dellroy.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 14:03:45 -0700
But skimmer, which displays a relative level, does not show the level difference. Skimmer shows about the same peak levels, but the stations closer or over salt water paths (not localized salt water
/archives//html/Topband/2014-08/msg00126.html (12,757 bytes)

39. Re: Topband: Modeling the proverbial "vertical on a beach" (score: 1)
Author: "Tom W8JI" <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 19:06:44 -0400
I looked at comparative data from four or five contests. I'm too far out of the path and in distance (approaching 1000 miles different) to compare, but I was still interested in how others in the NE
/archives//html/Topband/2014-08/msg00127.html (15,316 bytes)

40. Re: Topband: Modeling the proverbial "vertical on a beach" (score: 1)
Author: "Peter Voelpel" <dj7ww@t-online.de>
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 01:18:33 +0200
For Skimmer comparisons signals have to be on the air at the same time and the transmitting stations not to far apart from each other. In that case there is no statistical noise. But I would not expe
/archives//html/Topband/2014-08/msg00128.html (13,102 bytes)


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