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41. Re: Topband: Modeling the proverbial "vertical on a beach" (score: 1)
Author: "Carl" <km1h@jeremy.mv.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 20:10:41 -0400
It all depends upon the propagation and the TX and RX stations. A full size vertical in salt water will have a much lower angle at or near peak power than one miles back in the woods with typical gro
/archives//html/Topband/2014-08/msg00129.html (14,543 bytes)

42. Re: Topband: Modeling the proverbial "vertical on a beach" (score: 1)
Author: Mike Waters <mikewate@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 19:22:29 -0500
FWIW, here's a site where someone apparently did some tests. Someone posted it on eHam the other day in a similar discussion. http://www.k2kw.com/verticals/verticalinfo.htm 73, Mike www.w0btu.com ___
/archives//html/Topband/2014-08/msg00130.html (11,539 bytes)

43. Re: Topband: Modeling the proverbial "vertical on a beach" (score: 1)
Author: Nick Hall-Patch <nhp@ieee.org>
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 03:55:38 +0000
I wonder if they had read the report mentioned by Chuck Hutton a few days ago: http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/reports/1968-45.pdf It would seem to shed some light on what they observed. There are
/archives//html/Topband/2014-08/msg00134.html (12,241 bytes)

44. Re: Topband: Modeling the proverbial "vertical on a beach" (score: 1)
Author: Guy Olinger K2AV <k2av.guy@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 02:51:38 -0400
I quite agree, and from what I have personally observed, I WOULD NOT EXPECT peak levels on RBN to show the difference, except in very special circumstances. The Core Banks N4A test was walking backwa
/archives//html/Topband/2014-08/msg00135.html (14,292 bytes)

45. Re: Topband: Modeling the proverbial "vertical on a beach" (score: 1)
Author: k1zm--- via Topband <topband@contesting.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 07:39:59 -0400 (EDT)
Hi Guys K3ZM is my brother - and his 160m antenna is located in a salt marsh just to the West of Chesapeake Bay in Matthews, Va as I recall. Indeed he is located inland a bit (eg: not directly at wat
/archives//html/Topband/2014-08/msg00136.html (17,938 bytes)

46. Re: Topband: Modeling the proverbial "vertical on a beach" (score: 1)
Author: "Tom W8JI" <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 08:09:40 -0400
The signals showing the most change were not the loudest. They were the ones on the edge of the developing band opening. The stronger or peak signals from these stations would occur later as (presuma
/archives//html/Topband/2014-08/msg00137.html (13,836 bytes)

47. Re: Topband: Modeling the proverbial "vertical on a beach" (score: 1)
Author: "Clive GM3POI" <gm3poi2@btinternet.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 08:20:47 -0500
I think that what is being suggested is, that if you have two signals, one S9 and the other right at noise level. The salt water advantage shows up more on the weak signal. Let us say both increase b
/archives//html/Topband/2014-08/msg00138.html (14,024 bytes)

48. Re: Topband: Modeling the proverbial "vertical on a beach" (score: 1)
Author: "Tom W8JI" <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 09:51:43 -0400
For receiving, an absence of noise sources in the path is all the difference in the world. As an example of this look at what N7JW and K7CA did from the Utah desert area. Utah desert is like the anti
/archives//html/Topband/2014-08/msg00140.html (12,952 bytes)

49. Re: Topband: Modeling the proverbial "vertical on a beach" (score: 1)
Author: "Carl" <km1h@jeremy.mv.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 12:39:16 -0400
A 3CX15000B7 or similar makes up for a lot of things and especially to those who always want to be on top in a pileup or contest. Carl KM1H For receiving, an absence of noise sources in the path is a
/archives//html/Topband/2014-08/msg00145.html (13,829 bytes)

50. Re: Topband: Modeling the proverbial "vertical on a beach" (score: 1)
Author: "Tom W8JI" <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 13:03:31 -0400
That makes no sense at all. What are you trying to say? A 3CX15000B7 or similar makes up for a lot of things and especially to those who always want to be on top in a pileup or contest. Carl KM1H For
/archives//html/Topband/2014-08/msg00146.html (14,818 bytes)

51. Re: Topband: Modeling the proverbial "vertical on a beach" (score: 1)
Author: "Aravind Balasubramanian (VU2ABS)" <vu2abs@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 23:42:32 +0530
Almost very true Tim. Please see my lowband dxpedition experience at vu7ag summarised in my blog link below My topband experience is only in dxpedtions. http://vu2abs.blogspot.in/2014/08/my-low-band-
/archives//html/Topband/2014-08/msg00147.html (13,143 bytes)

52. Re: Topband: Modeling the proverbial "vertical on a beach" (score: 1)
Author: "Charlie" <charlie-cunningham@nc.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 14:27:30 -0400
Doesn't help you HEAR any better! Generally, on top band, even with my modest inverted- L with a few elevated radials, if could hear 'em I could work 'em! With 500 W. Best thing I ever did for myself
/archives//html/Topband/2014-08/msg00148.html (15,059 bytes)

53. Re: Topband: Modeling the proverbial "vertical on a beach" (score: 1)
Author: "Carl" <km1h@jeremy.mv.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 20:18:33 -0400
Nope but the RX antennas usually allow you dig a long way below the TX antenna noise. Most of the world isnt so lucky to have a selection of RX antennas or if they do the local QRN is too loud; anoth
/archives//html/Topband/2014-08/msg00150.html (16,592 bytes)

54. Re: Topband: Modeling the proverbial "vertical on a beach" (score: 1)
Author: "JC" <n4is@comcast.net>
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 00:58:44 -0400
If it was really 10-20 dB, shore locations would stand out like a sore thumb compared to inland locations. Everyone from around New England is about the same. Heck, K3LR is on the Ohio/PA border and
/archives//html/Topband/2014-08/msg00151.html (15,467 bytes)

55. Re: Topband: Modeling the proverbial "vertical on a beach" (score: 1)
Author: "Hugh Valentine" <hsvdds@juno.com>
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 20:36:54 GMT
I am not a Skimmer expert, and am just asking. Question: Are all the Skimmers individually(and collectively) calibrated in concert? Can one rely on them for comparing scientific data and conclusion t
/archives//html/Topband/2014-08/msg00152.html (12,725 bytes)

56. Re: Topband: Modeling the proverbial "vertical on a beach" (score: 1)
Author: "Juan EA5RS" <ea5rs@ono.com>
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 02:47:22 +0200
As far as I know, skimmers are not signal-level coordinated, so strictly speaking, it only makes sense to compare measurements made by the same skimmer. Although not an expert in this field, I have p
/archives//html/Topband/2014-08/msg00153.html (14,912 bytes)

57. Re: Topband: Modeling the proverbial "vertical on a beach" (score: 1)
Author: "Hardy Landskov" <n7rt@cox.net>
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 18:48:02 -0700
Juan, Am I wrong to assume that skimmers are not calibrated? They should be calibrated to S-9=50 uV into 50 ohms at least to provide some kind of uniformity band-to-band and skimmer-to-kimmer. I don'
/archives//html/Topband/2014-08/msg00154.html (16,299 bytes)

58. Re: Topband: Modeling the proverbial "vertical on a beach" (score: 1)
Author: Michael Tope <W4EF@dellroy.com>
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 19:01:24 -0700
For receiving, an absence of noise sources in the path is all the difference in the world. As an example of this look at what N7JW and K7CA did from the Utah desert area. Utah desert is like the anti
/archives//html/Topband/2014-08/msg00155.html (14,249 bytes)

59. Re: Topband: Modeling the proverbial "vertical on a beach" (score: 1)
Author: Mark Connelly via Topband <topband@contesting.com>
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 22:45:30 -0400 (EDT)
Some long-time observations from about 55 years of AM broadcast band DXing MAY have some relevance to this discussion. That hobby has had a lot of simultaneous inland-versus-coastal signal strength c
/archives//html/Topband/2014-08/msg00156.html (25,383 bytes)

60. Re: Topband: Modeling the proverbial "vertical on a beach" (score: 1)
Author: "Wes Attaway \(N5WA\)" <wesattaway@bellsouth.net>
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 22:55:19 -0500
I think the essence of what Tom has been saying is that yes there are some differences in a salt water location versus an inland location but that the differences are quite variable and are not "deal
/archives//html/Topband/2014-08/msg00157.html (15,039 bytes)


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