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SV: [AMPS] daf amplifier circuit, on air testing...

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Subject: SV: [AMPS] daf amplifier circuit, on air testing...
From: measures@vcnet.com (measures)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 05:02:09 -0700
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>> Twas I who mentioned Norms amplifier, both Rich and I had 
>> many a conversation with Norm about the circuit. Rich convinced 
>> him to retrofit his circuit with something more conventional. 
>> Since I know what he used, let me tell you what was involved. 
>> 
>> A portion of the drive signal was used to control the screen 
>> current potential. His notes to me were for a dual 4cx250 amp. 
>> The circuit details show most of the work done with solid state 
>> devices although a tube equivalent was available. 
>> 
>> I'm under the impression one daf circuit actually uses rectified rf 
>> for the applied screen potential. This seems a rather odd arrangement 
>> to me as a portion of the actual rectified drive supplies the screen 
>> power.  Norms circuit was a pair of hv transistors used to control 
>> the screen potential from a power supply.  The circuit is a much higher 
>> z load on the drive source vs the daf circuit I've seen on the web site. 
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>As Colin, K7FM correctly states; There is one *important* difference. The 
>time 
>constant in Norm´s screen circuit was way to slow !!
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>> Would this change the end result..?  
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>It most certainly would!
>
?  Norm tried various time constant screen supply configurations.  The 
one that produced acceptable distortion was a 350v shunt regulator.  The 
3/2 power rule is undoubtedly true.  


>>The dynamic screen potential is 
>> the tell-all. Both designs would probably place  lots of "el torro
>> poo-poo" 
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>Now, if your only reference is one guy ....

?  There were two DAF users.  .

>......with an appearantly flawed design - 
>then this truly is a "paper brain statement" !
>
>
>> :Running a DAF amp for a couple of years now I can say that it is good
>> :design and I get NO complaints for splattering or sounding bad. (Using a
>> :similar tube as in SM3BDZ amp, a QBL5-3500)
>> 
>> If your blowing holes in the band, others might think you just 
>> another contest operator. 
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>??
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>>If I heard you on the bands, I'd say 
>> something quick. Reference "The Emperors New Cloths" for 
>> a similar example.  (Han Christian Anderson)  Sorry, I had to 
>> say that at least once in my life...
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>Guess you would gain a lot if You work on your arguemental technique...
>
?  Anderson's story of ''The Emperor's New Clothes'' is about denial.  It 
applies in this case since all DAFers must deny the 3/2 power rule.  
DAFers must also deny what happens to linearity when the grid of a 
grid-driven amplifier goes substantially positive.  .  
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>Finally, I´m no salesman of the DAF amp and I really dont care if you 
>never ever think
>of using that circuit. For me, the whole idea with this issue was to maybe 
>learn something
>as this is supposed to be a knowledge based reflector.  I´m in doubts...

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