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 AMP: Harris RF-110A (Pair of 4CX-1500Bs)
 PROBLEM: Plate current and power output creep up after about 15 seconds 
under 
 "keydown" condition.  
 
 The amplifier will "run away" with itself until the overloads kick in.
 
 Scenario: Amp is excited to about a kw output with carrier.  Key down for 30 
 seconds.  Power slowly increases to 1400 watts and would keep on increasing 
 until the overloads kick it off.  When I let up on the key, the idling 
 current is high and then it slowly returns to its normal state.
 
 Have measured the grid bias, no change under "heat up conditions."  Same for 
 the zener regulated screen voltage supply. (I had thought the zeners were 
 heating up and causing the screen voltage to rise, thus causing the increase 
 in amplification.  Apparently not so, no measurable increase in screen 
 voltage.)
 
 I do not have extensive experience with ceramic tubes.  Is this runaway 
 output because of "soft" tubes?  They REALLY put out.  Or maybe it is 
thermal 
 runaway, though the powerful air system on this military amp is working ok 
 (and certainly makes enough noise). 
 
 Under SSB conditions everything appears normal -- obviously due to the 
 markedly lower duty cycle.  
 
 Anybody got any ideas?
 
 Mike
 W0YR
 

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AMP: Harris RF-110A (Pair of 4CX-1500Bs)
PROBLEM: Plate current and power output creep up after about 15 seconds under 
"keydown" condition.  

The amplifier will "run away" with itself until the overloads kick in.

Scenario: Amp is excited to about a kw output with carrier.  Key down for 30 
seconds.  Power slowly increases to 1400 watts and would keep on increasing 
until the overloads kick it off.  When I let up on the key, the idling 
current is high and then it slowly returns to its normal state.

Have measured the grid bias, no change under "heat up conditions."  Same for 
the zener regulated screen voltage supply. (I had thought the zeners were 
heating up and causing the screen voltage to rise, thus causing the increase 
in amplification.  Apparently not so, no measurable increase in screen 
voltage.)

I do not have extensive experience with ceramic tubes.  Is this runaway 
output because of "soft" tubes?  They REALLY put out.  Or maybe it is thermal 
runaway, though the powerful air system on this military amp is working ok 
(and certainly makes enough noise). 

Under SSB conditions everything appears normal -- obviously due to the 
markedly lower duty cycle.  

Anybody got any ideas?

Mike
W0YR

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