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Re: [Amps] .01uf caps across diodes

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Subject: Re: [Amps] .01uf caps across diodes
From: John Lyles <jtml@losalamos.com>
Reply-to: jtml@losalamos.com
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2022 21:17:44 -0700
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The diode, resistor, capacitor parallel combo has been with us since the 1960s when 866s were starting to wane i popularity. Westinghouse, Amperex, International Rectifier all had it in their application literature. Everyone knows that the resistor is a DC grading resistance to force all the diodes to have similar reverse voltage when they are not conducting. This was more important when diodes PRV were not consistent. It was discussed here that controlled avalanche diodes make this unnecessary. The capacitor is there for the transient part of the commutation in the diodes. All of them switch on and off together, but any small variances due to the intrinsic capacitance in the die and package of early diodes could cause a tiny delay in the back bias to turn on in different diodes. It the package is swamped with the larger external capacitor, this helps dominate the commutation to level the playing field so that to the rectified voltage, the diodes all appear to change at the same time when it crosses zero. But more importantly, in very large rectifiers, you may find yourself replacing only a few of hundreds of diodes and want to help match their characteristics even though they are from the same company at different times. I have seen controlled avalanche diodes used as well as RC networks with diodes. I still see more of the compensated networks than not, in the HV power supplies I deal with at work. These days, the use of carbon comp resistors is over since they tended to drift over time, so very good metal film high power Resitors (3watt), and  ceramic capacitors are used.

We have a bunch (8) three phase 86 kV DC power supplies rated ~ 1 MW each, using a full wave bridge in oil. These look like power substation units and are outdoors of course. Each powers the capacitor bank for 6 or 7 klystrons running Megawatt pulses. The original 50 year old GE units had many many diodes, rated 1 kV PRV. International Rectifier 85HF100 rated 85 Amps and 1 kV PRV. Now they are made by Dean Technologies in NJ. I can't remember the count, but its under 200. They are on phenolic boards that are raised out of the transformer tank with a crane. Each diode has a RC, with ancient 2 Watt carbon comb, and a 0.1 uF 400 Volt Vitamin Q metalized polyester cap, hermetic seal mil spec. We hate to have to test these things, takes several days to do it right. We have one refurbished rectifier set from a company that only uses six modern rectifier sticks in series with each phase. each stick or module having 32 x 1.6 kV stud mounted diodes. Then there are 6 boards with this arrangement. So the PIV rating of a stick is 51 kV, and there are 6 in series to get ~300 kV PIV per leg of the rectifier. This is a significant safety factor but those things run for years, 24/6, recharging the capacitor bank of 120 uF, 120 times a second. There are capacitor and resistor compensation across every diode, and I am happy with that design. It all depends on your tolerence for risk. In our machine where downtime is very costly, we use RC networks on the rectifier diodes, not for noise but to protect the diodes from worst case events. This is my take on it, to skip the RC if you have only a few diodes and they are modern, matched in characteristic and you feel they are running well under their PRV and peak current rating.

73
John Lyles
K5PRO


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