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Re: [CQ-Contest] WRTC Spotting

To: Mike Fatchett W0MU <w0mu@w0mu.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WRTC Spotting
From: Ron Notarius W3WN via CQ-Contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Reply-to: Ron Notarius W3WN <wn3vaw@verizon.net>
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2023 19:50:03 -0400
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Wait.  Are you saying that use of the scoreboard should be MANDATORY for all 
Operators?

73, Ron W3WN

> On Jul 1, 2023, at 11:52 AM, Mike Fatchett W0MU <w0mu@w0mu.com> wrote:
> 
> Everyone should be on be on the scoreboard so that people can watch.  It is a 
> competition.  Would you watch the Indy 500 or other events if they did not 
> have a scoreboard or leader board? Would you watch a baseball game with 
> without scoring, balls and strikes etc?  Not me.
> 
> Does knowing this information really help me or others?  I doubt it.  At this 
> stage of the game there are very very few unknown secret openings or rate 
> periods.  It is nice to see that more and more are adopting the use of 
> scoreboards.
> 
> Back to the spotting conversation.
> 
> W0MU
> 
>> On 7/1/2023 9:29 AM, kq2m@kq2m.com wrote:
>> 
>> Scoreboards are informative and fun to watch, and this usefulness brings 
>> about my main objection to their use being allowed by the NON-Assisted ops; 
>> that watching a scoreboard provides valuable information about band 
>> openings, rate and what is likely being worked on the band(s), by whom and 
>> when.  In some ways scoreboard info can be even more useful than actually 
>> viewing DX cluster spots which only tell you what is being spotted and by 
>> whom, not who/what is actually being worked in real-time.  I believe that 
>> use of the Scoreboard constitutes Assisted operating since this real-time 
>> information is provided by others DURING the contest.
>> 
>> For these reasons I personally do not look at scoreboards when I am 
>> operating NON-Assisted, regardless of whether or not the SOABHP category 
>> allows it.  I believe that the contest committees seriously erred many years 
>> ago when they gave their blessing to scoreboard use by the */NON-Assisted/ 
>> *ops along with several other forms of real-time technology including 
>> skimmer.
>> Why Mike and others feel the need to "get everyone to use scoreboards" is 
>> baffling to me.  Why not get others to develop and improve their OPERATING 
>> SKILLS instead?
>> And, NO, there are many among us who DON'T "accept automatic spotting on 
>> every mode"; rather, we have learned to live with it because we have no 
>> control over it and have not been left with a viable alternative except not 
>> to operate.
>> Regarding SSB spotting in WRTC, I can see both the pros and cons of doing 
>> this and the strong opinions already expressed.  Each WRTC committee is 
>> charged with making their own rules and each WRTC event has introduced new 
>> ideas and competition "tweaks" to experiment with them.  Some have been 
>> great and others not, but it is part of the ongoing evolution of WRTC (just 
>> as in the Olympics) and it will be interesting to see how this hybrid form 
>> of SSB spotting turns out.
>> Both WRTC and technology sure have changed a lot since the groundbreaking 
>> event took place in Seattle, WA, some 33 years ago.  It is still one of the 
>> highlights of my life!
>> I wish the 2022 WRTC Committee and all judges, support people, participants 
>> and competitors, a most awesome and wonderful event!
>> CU in IARUHF!
>> 73
>> Bob, KQ2M
>> In 2023-06-30 18:13, Mike Fatchett W0MU wrote:
>>> I don't see much of an issue. CW spots are automatic with RBN and skimmer.  
>>> Why not SSB spots?  IARU could change their rules. Same for any other 
>>> contest.    Maybe this is how we get everyone to use scoreboards.  If you 
>>> use the scoreboards you get spotted on SSB.
>>> 
>>> We accept automatic spotting on every mode but SSB simple because we don't 
>>> have a good way to do it.  Maybe this changes that......
>>> 
>>> W0MU
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