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Re: [RFI] Line filters for VHF?

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Subject: Re: [RFI] Line filters for VHF?
From: Jim Brown <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Reply-to: jim@audiosystemsgroup.com
Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 16:51:30 -0700
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On Wed,5/20/2015 3:01 PM, N1BUG wrote:
On 05/20/2015 03:31 PM, David Robbins wrote:
I wonder if the 3 cores you used stopped most of the junk from
that one box, but you were still seeing junk coming in from the
rest of the building or outside??

I don't think so, because when that one box is powered off, the junk on its power cord and wiring in the building goes away.

Ferrite cores clamped on a cable can be a good fix for common mode current, but they won't help with differential mode current. It is well known that coupling from differential mode current can be reduced by twisting the conductors that carries that current.

Commercial line filters ARE differential filters, so should help with that if properly applied, and if their reactive components don't have too much stray reactance -- that is, stray C in the chokes, stray L in the capacitors. (What the power industry calls "common mode" is voltage between neutral and green.) Properly applied means zero length leads between the filter and the noise source, including a zero length bond between the shielding enclosure of the noisy device and the filter.

Here's a series of CorCom filters that looks promising.
http://www.te.com/usa-en/product-1-6609037-1.html#pdp-docs-features Click on the "see all documentation" link, then choose the top pdf, which includes graphs. You might also try calling them or using Live Chat to ask about VHF.

As to the effectiveness of the number of cores and their type -- for a single turn (that is, passing the cable through it once), the type you chose, #43, is ideal for for 2M. Winding turns would lower its resonance, and thus its effectiveness to around 6M. Choking Z will be proportional to the total length of the ferrite material. This is going to be somewhat logarithmic -- that is, for 6 dB, the current must be reduced by half, which corresponds to doubling that Z. So -- assuming it's all common mode, it would take 3 more cores to reduce that common mode current by half.

Ideally, the choke should be as close as practical to the noisy device. Fair-Rite #61 would be the weapon of choice for 440 MHz.

73, Jim K9YC


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