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Re: [RFI] CARRIER ON 40-METERS

To: "Steve London" <n2icarrl@gmail.com>, "Don Kirk" <wd8dsb@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFI] CARRIER ON 40-METERS
From: WW3S <ww3s@zoominternet.net>
Reply-to: WW3S <ww3s@zoominternet.net>
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2023 01:01:05 +0000
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easy to copy here in NW PA, just south of Lake Erie......definitely W/SW of here. I have a 2L phased verticals, roughly 50/230 degrees, with 18db of attenuation , its S1 switched to the NE, and S5 to the SW.....without attenuation, its hard to tell the difference. Maybe I'll try tomorrow in the daylight.


------ Original Message ------
From "Steve London" <n2icarrl@gmail.com>
To "Don Kirk" <wd8dsb@gmail.com>
Cc "rfi@contesting.com" <rfi@contesting.com>
Date 1/30/2023 7:56:10 PM
Subject Re: [RFI] CARRIER ON 40-METERS

NNE from SW New Mexico
NW from Central Texas
W from Virginia
E from Oregon

Colorado, Kansas, Nebraska, Wyoming seems likely

73,
Steve, N2IC

On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 5:51 PM Don Kirk <wd8dsb@gmail.com> wrote:

 Back in April 2022 there was a carrier on 40 meters for many weeks as I
 recall.  TDOA was said to not work well because the carrier was constant
 whereas they said you needed the carrier to be on and off (I have no idea
 when TDOA works well and when it does not work well).  I was able to
 provide a heading from Indiana using my portable flag that turned out to be
 within +/- 5 degrees of the actual location which turned out to be in Alma
 Colorado and it turned out to be a summer home of a ham who had remote gear
 located at his cabin and somehow the transmitter got locked on.  Another
 ham actually took to the sky in his airplane trying to DF the signal using
 DF gear in his airplane but it was the FCC that actually located the
 source.  Tuned loops did not work well obtaining a heading on the signal
 because tuned loops have very little directional properties for high
 arrival angle signals which we were often encountering on 40 meters.  My
 portable flag did the best because it still provided reasonable front to
 back properties at the high arrival angle we were often dealing with.

 I just did a quick check of the 7.195 MHz carrier at about 7:30 pm EST with
 my portable flag and I can actually hear it with the portable flag just
 fine without any preamp from my home in Fishers Indiana.  I used a preamp
 to get enough signal strength so I could use the crude S meter on my
 portable receiver, and doing a very quick reading I obtained a heading from
 Indianapolis of approximately 265 to 270 degrees give or take a little
 bit.  It's very cold outside right now so I did not spend any time trying
 to get an accurate heading, I just wanted to see what general direction it
 was coming from.  I was not totally out in the open (I was standing pretty
 close to my house), so I will try and get a better heading when time and
 weather conditions permit.

 Just FYI,
 Don (wd8dsb)

 On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 6:06 PM Don Moman VE6JY <ve6jy.1@gmail.com> wrote:

 > the source is likely from North America (or any other country that uses
 60
 > hz power)  as the carrier has 120 hz power supply sidebands...
 >
 > On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 3:59 PM Michael Carter <Mike.Carter@unh.edu>
 > wrote:
 >
 > > If my reading of that table from the source
 > > Joe linked is correct, the China transmitter
 > > on 7.195 MHz has a TX power of 50 watts.
 > > Seems unlikely to provide S9 + 10 dB signal
 > > or larger in west central US......
 > >
 > > Mike, K8CN
 > > ________________________________
 > > From: RFI <rfi-bounces+mike.carter=unh.edu@contesting.com> on behalf
 of
 > > David Eckhardt <davearea51a@gmail.com>
 > > Sent: Monday, January 30, 2023 5:52 PM
 > > To: Joe <nss@mwt.net>
 > > Cc: rfi@contesting.com <rfi@contesting.com>
 > > Subject: Re: [RFI] CARRIER ON 40-METERS
 > >
 > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the University System.
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 > >
 > >
 > > I would rule out either of these two sources.  It is strong with slow
 > > ionospheric fading indicating only one skip zone.  Certainly not
 > > characteristic of Chinese or German signals in the middle of the
 > afternoon
 > > on 40-Meters.
 > >
 > > Dave - WØLEV
 > >
 > > On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 10:42 PM Joe <nss@mwt.net> wrote:
 > >
 > > > According to these folk it's Germany or China.
 > > >
 > > >
 > >
 >
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 > > > Joe WB9SBD
 > > >
 > > > On 1/30/2023 4:36 PM, Wes Stewart via RFI wrote:
 > > > >   Using my Perseus it's peaking -70 dBm on my 40-meter inverted-vee
 > > with
 > > > 30 dB fades here in Tucson at 2225Z.
 > > > > I have no idea what it is.
 > > > >
 > > > > Wes  N7WS
 > > > >
 > > > >      On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 03:06:28 PM MST, David
 Eckhardt<
 > > > davearea51a@gmail.com>  wrote:
 > > > >
 > > > >   Strong here in N. Colorado.  7.195 MHz.  It is being heard at
 least
 > > > from E.
 > > > > Texas to Kansas and, of course, here in N. Colorado.  It is a clean
 > > > > unmodulated carrier and has been present for 3 to 4 days.  I've
 heard
 > > it
 > > > > typically during daytime hours, but not tried during the evening.
 > > > >
 > > > > Does anyone have information on what it may be?
 > > > >
 > > > > Dave - WØLEV
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