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Re: [TenTec] OMNI C Mixer or PTO problem

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Subject: Re: [TenTec] OMNI C Mixer or PTO problem
From: Michael Silevitch <msilevitch@coe.neu.edu>
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Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 15:52:06 -0500
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Dear Gary

I will look into the issue of a missing accessories socket jumper. As you
say there is one on the Corsair and the Corsair manual refers to it. There
is no such reference that I can see in the manual for the Omni C. It
sounds like there should be one there however (this would indeed be an
easy fix!).

BTW I have a Corsair I and I got the Omni C to compare the two. How do you
see the pros and cons of the two rigs?

Regards
         Mike K1PEV



On 2/20/12 2:15 PM, "GARY HUBER" <glhuber@msn.com> wrote:

>Its been at least twenty years since I sold my OMNI-C and replaced it
>with 
>the CORSAIR-II still on my operating desk. Both radios were ordered with
>external VFOs but were occasionally run with out and required both a
>jumper 
>in the VFO IN and VFO OUT jacks and the accessory jack. The original
>complaint symptoms sounds suspiciously like the VFO jumper being removed.
>And in fact the same jumper being removed causes the same symptoms with a
>CORSAIR-II. SO the first question should be is that jumper in place on
>the 
>back of the OMNI-C? Often it is missing or the new owner has overlooked
>plugging it back in. If both jumpers are in place, then the next thing to
>do 
>is to look for a loose or disconnected connection between boards or sub
>assemblies all the way to the digital display. I have in the past seen
>the 
>symptoms described when one connector (HFO) inside the digital display
>enclosure has been unplugged.
>
>
>73 ES DX,
>Gary -- AB9M
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Joe
>Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 12:35 PM
>To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
>Subject: Re: [TenTec] OMNI C Mixer or PTO problem
>
>Well Mike, I guess the next thing to do is to see if there is anything
>coming out of the PTO. You could use one of the scopes that everyone has
>been talking about or an RF probe. It is looking like the PTO may have no
>output. You can check that at the VFO OUT jack on the rear. That brings up
>an interesting question. If there is no way to turn the PTO off, how do
>they
>handle remote VFOs?
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Michael Silevitch" <msilevitch@coe.neu.edu>
>To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>
>Cc: "Michael Silevitch" <msilevitch@coe.neu.edu>
>Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 11:45 AM
>Subject: Re: [TenTec] OMNI C Mixer or PTO problem
>
>
>> Dear Joe
>>
>> That's unfortunately right. The OMNI PTO circuitry does not have an
>>Enable
>> line. The Corsair does.
>>
>> Any other wisdom?
>>
>> Regards
>>         Mike K1PEV
>>
>> ****************************************
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/20/12 9:22 AM, "Joe" <joe@n4yg.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I guess I made have assumed too much Mike. I thought all the later PTOs
>>>had
>>>an E terminial which allowed the PTO to be rapidly switched on and off
>>>when
>>>a remote VFO is used. If the OMNI does not have an accessory jack, then
>>>you
>>>can probably disregard  all of what I said.
>>>
>>>Joe
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Michael Silevitch" <msilevitch@coe.neu.edu>
>>>To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>
>>>Cc: "Michael Silevitch" <msilevitch@coe.neu.edu>
>>>Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 8:06 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [TenTec] OMNI C Mixer or PTO problem
>>>
>>>
>>>> Dear Joe
>>>>
>>>> This sounds encouraging but can you give me a bit more detail? The
>>>>OMNI
>>>> schematic doesn't indicate an E reference. The PTO block only has a
>>>>few
>>>> outputs (VFO out, VFO shift and OT). None of these are linked to the
>>>> accessories socket. Also the manual doesn't mention that a jumper is
>>>> needed on the accessories socket. The Corsair does have a jumper
>>>>installed
>>>> when not using an external VFO. What pins on the socket need to be
>>>>jumped?
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>         Mike K1PEV
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2/20/12 8:38 AM, "Joe" <joe@n4yg.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Check the E voltage at the PTO. If this voltage is not about 8 volts,
>>>>>the
>>>>>PTO is disabled. The E voltage is jumpered at the ACCESSORY jack on
>>>>>the
>>>>>rear
>>>>>panel. If it is not jumpered, the PTO will not have the E (Enable)
>>>>>present
>>>>>will thus be disabled.
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: "Michael Silevitch" <msilevitch@coe.neu.edu>
>>>>>To: <tentec@contesting.com>
>>>>>Cc: "Michael Silevitch" <msilevitch@coe.neu.edu>
>>>>>Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 7:18 AM
>>>>>Subject: [TenTec] OMNI C Mixer or PTO problem
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am trying to understand a problem with my newly purchased OMNI C.
>>>>>>It
>>>>>>was
>>>>>> operating fine according to the person who sold it to me (and I
>>>>>>believe
>>>>>> him!). Upon arrival it seems that the PTO has no output or there is
>>>>>>a
>>>>>> problem mixing the PTO signal. The reason I say this is because I am
>>>>>> observing displays of 9MHz, 1 MHz or 91MHz depending on the band.
>>>>>>There
>>>>>>is
>>>>>> no transmitter drive current. According to the manual the display
>>>>>>output
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> a sign that mixing with the PTO is not occurring. I assume this also
>>>>>> correlates with no transmitter current. I think (hope) the problem
>>>>>>is
>>>>>> something simple that was caused by the rough and tumble of
>>>>>>shipping.
>>>>>>I
>>>>>> did
>>>>>> try things like testing the VFO out-in jumper, jiggling cables,
>>>>>>leaving
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> unit on overnight, etc. I do have the option of shipping the unit
>>>>>>back
>>>>>>but
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> would rather fix it if it is a simple fix.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another question. Will the Corsair 263 VFO work on the OMNI C?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would greatly appreciate any advice on this problem.
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Mike K1PEV
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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