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Re: Topband: water saturated ground effect-MA160

To: <herbs@vitelcom.net>, "topband@contesting.com" <topband@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: Topband: water saturated ground effect-MA160
From: BRYON PAUL n0ah VEAL <bryonveal@msn.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 09:50:33 -0600
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> From: herbs@vitelcom.net
> To: topband@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: Topband: water saturated ground effec
 
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Paul,
> 
> What you experienced could be a misleading indication as ground 
> conductivity with moisture depends a lot on the actual type of soil. 
> with a vertical that is less than a quarter wave the direct feed 
> impedance should be very low. YES, THAT IS WHY I NEEDED THE UNUN IN THE FIRST 
> PLACE WHEN I BUILT THE ANTNNA LAST YEAR-

 On a dry salt lake or high salinity soil the results 
> with mixing water would be more noticeable but I don't think this is 
> what you have there.  AGREE-

My point here is that one of the reasons the FCC requires AM stations to 
> have a ground system as part of their application is so there is a 
> constant radiation with a certain power level that will maintain the 
> radiation pattern and microvolts per meter at a given distance. A good 
> adequate radial system is supposed to prevent the very phenomenon you 
> described.
 
HERB, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WROTE, BUT NOT SURE HOW IT APPLIES TO MY SITUATION 
WHEN THE SWR LAST WENT FROM 1:1 TO 5:1 WHEN I ADDED THE 26 RADIALS EXPOSING THE 
MISMATCH IMPEDANCE THAT THE AMIDON UnUn WAS ABLE TO MATCH THE COAX TO THE 
ANTENNA- AT THE TIME, USING THE COMBINATION OF THE UnUn, THE ANTENNA IMPEDANCE 
WAS ESTIMATED TO BE AROUND 20 OHMS- I TESTED EVERYTHING AGAIN THIS 
MORNING....STILL GETTING A 2.3:1 SWR MATCH WITHOUT THE UnUn, WHEREAS LAST 
SEASON, I COULD NOT GET THE SWR BELOW 5:1 WHEN I DIRECTLY CONNECTED THE ANTENNA 
WITHOUT THE UnUn IN LINE.........WITH THE UnUn THIS MORNING, I CAN GET IT FLAT- 
ARE YOU SAYING THAT A SOAKED SOIL IN MY SITUATION IS WORSE THAN DRY DIRT?  
 
73!
 
PAUL  TI5/N0AH IN ABOUT 27 HOURS!!!! 
> 
> Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ
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