Gary et. al.
We used that configuration over radials on ground on Curacao in the
mid-1990's from the end of the resort near what is now PJ2T.
It is really closer to 5/16 wl, and with half vertical and half horizontal
it came very close to Z = 50 + maybe 200j ohms. We used a series vacuum
capacitor about 450 pfd to tune out the inductive reactance and it worked
very well. We had about 40 or 50 radials approx. 80 feet long spread out
on the sand and coral along the shoreline.
After the CQ160 CW contest we inserted an 80 meter trap about 75 feet up
and it worked very well on both 80 CW and 160 CW for the next few days
before we had to pack up and go home. (The support we used one of the
crank up towers the Finn's had left from their massive CQWW DX Phone and
CW efforts a few year before.)
I cannot comment on the FCP's.
GL,
George K8GG
> 160 i l with FCP
> Everyone has been so helpful
> I'm going to throw this out here for everyone
> A 3/8 inverted l cut for 160 fed at bottom about 170 feet ,equal lengths
> for vert and horizontal using an FCP's
> thoughts on 3 independent FCP's
>
> one for 160 one for 80 one for 40
> Can the FCP's be in parraled
> Or should they be switched
> The horizontal arm end from this qth points ne ,perfect for Europe ,or
> should I broadside the horizontal section ne by sw ?
> Or am I wasting my time with 3 FCP's
> 73
> Gary
> N6biz
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
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>> 1. Re: Inverted L successes (garyk9gs)
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>> 3. Re: Inverted L successes (GaryK9GS)
>> 4. Re: Inverted L successes (Mike Waters)
>> 5. Best Receive Antenna over Sloping Terrain? (Ed)
>> 6. Re: Best Receive Antenna over Sloping Terrain?
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 16:15:24 -0500
>> From: garyk9gs <garyk9gs@wi.rr.com>
>> To: topband@contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: Topband: Inverted L successes
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>> But being 800+ miles closer to EU (many countries there compared to
>> North America) and a path that is largely over salt water is a huge
>> advantage, particularly on the low bands.
>>
>>
>> 73-Gary K9GS?
>> -------- Original message --------From: Carl <km1h@jeremy.qozzy.com>
>> Date: 8/31/17 3:08 PM (GMT-06:00) To: GaryK9GS <garyk9gs@wi.rr.com>,
>> topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Inverted L successes
>> Most of LI is glacial sand and only the coastal areas benefit verticals.
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "GaryK9GS" <garyk9gs@wi.rr.com>
>> To: <topband@contesting.com>
>> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 8:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: Topband: Inverted L successes
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I suspect that your success is largely due to your location on Long
>>> Island.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Gary K9GS
>>> -------- Original message --------From: JAYB1943@OPTONLINE.NET Date:
>>> 8/28/17? 5:22 PM? (GMT-06:00) To: Doug Ellmore <doug@ellmore.net>,
>>> topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Inverted L successes
>>> Last fall I installed an ?S-9? 43 ft vertical, added a tapped loading
>>> coil
>>> at the base, with 10 on-the-ground radials about 100 ft long randomly
>>> run
>>> all over my 60x90 house plot. Rig is 300 watts - Started on 160 DXCC
>>> with
>>> 32 entities, finished DXCC in one winter season.
>>> My secret: JT65 !!!! (tnx K1JT)
>>> Try anything ? you will be amazed how successful you can be on top-band
>>> with a little patience and VERY modest antennas. 73, Jay NY2NY
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>> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 17:58:44 -0400
>> From: Glenn Wyant <va3dx@sympatico.ca>
>> To: garyk9gs <garyk9gs@wi.rr.com>
>> Cc: topband@contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: Topband: Inverted L successes
>> Message-ID: <17B90D10-B4CB-4A39-92FE-0D399683AD4D@sympatico.ca>
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>> Since 1984, only inverted L , no RX antennas, city lot , city noise, inv
>> L ( 70' vertical ), near Toronto, 277 dxcc countries worked and
>> confirmed. Va3dx
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 17:15, garyk9gs <garyk9gs@wi.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> But being 800+ miles closer to EU (many countries there compared to
>>> North America) and a path that is largely over salt water is a huge
>>> advantage, particularly on the low bands.
>>>
>>>
>>> 73-Gary K9GS
>>> -------- Original message --------From: Carl <km1h@jeremy.qozzy.com>
>>> Date: 8/31/17 3:08 PM (GMT-06:00) To: GaryK9GS <garyk9gs@wi.rr.com>,
>>> topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Inverted L successes
>>> Most of LI is glacial sand and only the coastal areas benefit
>>> verticals.
>>>
>>> Carl
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "GaryK9GS" <garyk9gs@wi.rr.com>
>>> To: <topband@contesting.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 8:22 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Topband: Inverted L successes
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I suspect that your success is largely due to your location on Long
>>>> Island.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Gary K9GS
>>>> -------- Original message --------From: JAYB1943@OPTONLINE.NET Date:
>>>> 8/28/17 5:22 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Doug Ellmore <doug@ellmore.net>,
>>>> topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Inverted L successes
>>>> Last fall I installed an ?S-9? 43 ft vertical, added a tapped loading
>>>> coil
>>>> at the base, with 10 on-the-ground radials about 100 ft long randomly
>>>> run
>>>> all over my 60x90 house plot. Rig is 300 watts - Started on 160 DXCC
>>>> with
>>>> 32 entities, finished DXCC in one winter season.
>>>> My secret: JT65 !!!! (tnx K1JT)
>>>> Try anything ? you will be amazed how successful you can be on
>>>> top-band
>>>> with a little patience and VERY modest antennas. 73, Jay NY2NY
>>>> _________________
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>>>> _________________
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>> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 19:55:57 -0500
>> From: GaryK9GS <garyk9gs@wi.rr.com>
>> To: Carl <km1h@jeremy.qozzy.com>, topband@contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: Topband: Inverted L successes
>> Message-ID: <EF.63.25924.B40B8A95@dnvrco-omsmta02>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> No problem Carl. ? Ax they say in real ?estate, ?"location, ?location,
>> ?location " ?:)
>>
>>
>> 73,
>> Gary K9GS
>> -------- Original message --------From: Carl <km1h@jeremy.qozzy.com>
>> Date: 8/31/17 7:42 PM (GMT-06:00) To: garyk9gs <garyk9gs@wi.rr.com>,
>> topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Inverted L successes
>> I was only referring to its physical characteristics, not location.
>> Having
>> been raised on LI it was not a good place for verticals, especially a
>> Gotham!
>>
>> OTOH I worked lots of 160M AM mobiles there out to 20 miles or so during
>> their evening commuting hours. I was running a Viking I at 100W to a 40M
>> dipole fed with 72 Ohm twinlead with the ends tied together. Absolutely
>> no
>> ground.......at about 15-16 I didnt know better!
>>
>> Sorry for the confusion.
>>
>> Carl
>> 301 DXCC 39 Zones on 160 CW all from one NH town, no remotes EVER
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "garyk9gs" <garyk9gs@wi.rr.com>
>> To: <topband@contesting.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 5:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: Topband: Inverted L successes
>>
>>
>>> But being 800+ miles closer to EU (many countries there compared to
>>> North
>>> America) and a path that is largely over salt water is a huge
>>> advantage,
>>> particularly on the low bands.
>>>
>>>
>>> 73-Gary K9GS
>>> -------- Original message --------From: Carl <km1h@jeremy.qozzy.com>
>>> Date:
>>> 8/31/17? 3:08 PM? (GMT-06:00) To: GaryK9GS <garyk9gs@wi.rr.com>,
>>> topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Inverted L successes
>>> Most of LI is glacial sand and only the coastal areas benefit
>>> verticals.
>>>
>>> Carl
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "GaryK9GS" <garyk9gs@wi.rr.com>
>>> To: <topband@contesting.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 8:22 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Topband: Inverted L successes
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I suspect that your success is largely due to your location on Long
>>>> Island.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Gary K9GS
>>>> -------- Original message --------From: JAYB1943@OPTONLINE.NET Date:
>>>> 8/28/17 5:22 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Doug Ellmore <doug@ellmore.net>,
>>>> topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Inverted L successes
>>>> Last fall I installed an ?S-9? 43 ft vertical, added a tapped loading
>>>> coil
>>>> at the base, with 10 on-the-ground radials about 100 ft long randomly
>>>> run
>>>> all over my 60x90 house plot. Rig is 300 watts - Started on 160 DXCC
>>>> with
>>>> 32 entities, finished DXCC in one winter season.
>>>> My secret: JT65 !!!! (tnx K1JT)
>>>> Try anything ? you will be amazed how successful you can be on
>>>> top-band
>>>> with a little patience and VERY modest antennas. 73, Jay NY2NY
>>>> _________________
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>>>> _________________
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 21:08:37 -0500
>> From: Mike Waters <mikewate@gmail.com>
>> To: topband <topband@contesting.com>
>> Subject: Re: Topband: Inverted L successes
>> Message-ID:
>> <CA+FxYXiEWBXmEYVC3zDY-C2FMkxKK0GVDE56wi0ORMTVxdJkCw@mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> And I would add, "vertical polarization, vertical polarization, vertical
>> polarization." :-)
>> www.w0btu.com/160_meters.html
>>
>> 73, Mike
>> www.w0btu.com
>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 7:55 PM, GaryK9GS <garyk9gs@wi.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ... Ax they say in real estate, "location, location, location "
>>> :)
>>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 11:57:27 +0300
>> From: Ed <navydude1962@yahoo.com>
>> To: topband@contesting.com
>> Subject: Topband: Best Receive Antenna over Sloping Terrain?
>> Message-ID: <C606613F-B10F-442B-BBA0-5450733FEF23@yahoo.com>
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>> Greetings from Saudi Arabia! I think a lot about my home QTH in
>> California and how I want to make the most of my antenna potential.
>>
>> I have an area that I would like to devote to receiving antennas, that's
>> about 150' square feet. Thought about the DXE Active 4 Sq array but they
>> say installing this on Sloping terrain will degrade its performance. In
>> my case, the slope is about 30-35 degrees, so I'm sure that limits me.
>>
>> The transmitting antenna area is about 300-400 feet away, which provides
>> adequate isolation from where I want to install a receiving antenna.
>> Trying to figure out what is most suitable. In addition to 160m, I am
>> also interested in BCB DXing and some the demonstrations viewed on
>> YouTube are quite impressive!
>>
>> Would really appreciate some input. I can always provide my home
>> address, where the two antenna areas can be seen on Google Maps.
>>
>> 73,
>> Ed NI6S/7Z1ES
>>
>>
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 07:44:58 -0400
>> From: Herbert Schoenbohm <herbert.schoenbohm@gmail.com>
>> To: Ed <navydude1962@yahoo.com>, TopBand List <topband@contesting.com>
>> Subject: Re: Topband: Best Receive Antenna over Sloping Terrain?
>> Message-ID: <9d0891e6-80a7-59e2-a13a-b4be39926afb@gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>
>> Not really if it is a gentle slope since IMHO the arrival angle of the
>> incoming signal will most likely not be bothered.? The slope may
>> actually attenuate some ground wave noise in those directions a bit thus
>> improving the S/N ratio.
>>
>>
>>
>> Herb, KV4FZOn 9/1/2017 6:37 AM, Ed wrote:
>>> Yes, Herb. I have considered this, too. But I think I may run into the
>>> same problem with sloping terrain. Thoughts?
>>>
>>> On Sep 1, 2017, at 13:13, Herbert Schoenbohm
>>> <herbert.schoenbohm@gmail.com <mailto:herbert.schoenbohm@gmail.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Since your space is limited to preclude a bunch of Beverages I would
>>>> highly recommend the SAL-30 which is a shared loop array from Array
>>>> Solutions. This is really a high performance antenna and should give
>>>> you every thing you need.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.arraysolutions.com/as-sal-30
>>>>
>>>> Herb, KV4FZ
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 4:57 AM, Ed via Topband
>>>> <topband@contesting.com <mailto:topband@contesting.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Greetings from Saudi Arabia!? I think a lot about my home QTH in
>>>> California and how I want to make the most of my antenna potential.
>>>>
>>>> I have an area that I would like to devote to receiving antennas,
>>>> that's about 150' square feet. Thought about the DXE Active 4 Sq
>>>> array but they say installing this on Sloping terrain will
>>>> degrade its performance. In my case, the slope is about 30-35
>>>> degrees, so I'm sure that limits me.
>>>>
>>>> The transmitting antenna area is about 300-400 feet away, which
>>>> provides adequate isolation from where I want to install a
>>>> receiving antenna. Trying to figure out what is most suitable.?
>>>> In addition to 160m, I am also interested in BCB DXing and some
>>>> the demonstrations viewed on YouTube are quite impressive!
>>>>
>>>> Would really appreciate some input. I can always provide my home
>>>> address, where the two antenna areas can be seen on Google Maps.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Ed NI6S/7Z1ES
>>>> _________________
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>>>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 09:22:25 -0400 (EDT)
>> From: Joe Galicic <galicic@comcast.net>
>> To: TopBand List <topband@contesting.com>
>> Subject: Topband: ZL3IX
>> Message-ID: <1358763360.208009.1504272146122@connect.xfinity.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>
>> Big surprise working ZL3IX at 1023Z this morning with only 100 watts and
>> no RX antenna up yet. He was S9 at times ! I saw the spot but was sure
>> I wouldn?t be able to hear him. Boy was I surprised when I tuned to his
>> frequency and heard him like he was a local. The amp wasn?t warmed up
>> yet so I gave him a call with 100 watts and he came right back on the
>> first try.
>>
>>
>> This is the second time I have experienced this phenomenon on 160. I
>> worked VK3IO last year about the same time of year where he was very
>> strong and easy to work. I will have to pay more attention to 160 this
>> time of year.
>>
>>
>> Fun !
>>
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> N3HEE
>>
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