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Re: [TowerTalk] Does a M2 Orion 2800 fit in a LM354HD top section?

To: K4SAV <RadioIR@charter.net>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Does a M2 Orion 2800 fit in a LM354HD top section?
From: W4LDE-Ron <w4lde@cfl.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:24:19 -0400
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To add to this thread, how can one ever turn a US Tower rotating tower 
using the K-factor method since the weight of the rotating tower is 
roughly 660#'s plus or minus the base assembly weight.  Should the tower 
itself since its similar to a mast be included in the calculations?

Thus a US Tower MARB-550 add a 55# antenna and turning radius 19' of  
would equal a K-factor of  13,400

Not to many rotors capable of that figure, however, I believe the tower 
does have a load bearing assembly thus removing the weight factor?  How 
much I am not sure and what effect the rotational torque of the tower 
itself has is unknown to me.

Thus that type of tower/antenna by the K-factor would be 19*55 = 1045 
plus the effect of torque and any transfered weight..

I am thinking of using a MARB-550 at 55 ft with a SteppIR plus the 40/30 
add on but am confused as to how big a rotor is needed?

Would appreciate hearing from MARB-550 Owners and there experiences.

Ron, W4LDE


K4SAV wrote:
> I just pulled the info from the web for that calculation which didn't 
> mention mast weight.  I went back to the Yaesu manual, and yes that is 
> what it says, it includes the mast weight in the calculation.  But that 
> really doesn't make sense.  A mast contributes an insignificant amount 
> of torque compared to the weight of an antenna, and they are counting 
> them the same.  (Antenna turning radius times mast plus antenna weight 
> doesn't make a lot of sense to me.)  So obviously the K factor is not a 
> guideline for the amount of torque allowed, but must be some kind of 
> general really rough swag at trying to sum up the total of what is above 
> the rotator.  I'm not sure that is a good way to sum up the requirement. 
>
> Jerry, K4SAV
>
> John Elsik wrote:
>
>   
>> >From the Yaesu manual
>> K = turning radius x (antenna + mast weight)
>> The mast weighs around 110lbs
>> So add 55 lbs to each antenna calculation. Then sum the two
>> They give a pretty lengthy example of this in the manual.  Metric of course,
>> but the result is the same.
>> John
>> Wa5zup
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com
>> [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of K4SAV
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 5:03 PM
>> To: towertalk@contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Does a M2 Orion 2800 fit in a LM354HD top section?
>>
>> Are you sure you didn't get a metric number mixed in with the English 
>> numbers?  Using Yaesu's method of figuring the K factor, I get 3264 
>> ft-lbs for the antennas you have.  The G-2800DXA is rated for 6870 
>> ft-lbs.  You are at 47% of the rating.
>>
>> Jerry, K4SAV
>>
>> John Elsik wrote:
>>
>>  
>>
>>     
>>> I have a new LM354HDSP crankup tower.  I got the tower up, back in late
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>> November.  That is where the project stopped for the winter.  All it is
>> holding up is an inv vee for 80 mtrs right now.
>>  
>>
>>     
>>> The antennas are a 4el SteppIR and a Cushcraft XM240 on a chrome moly mast.
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>> Nothing is installed yet.
>>  
>>
>>     
>>> I purchased a Yeasu 2800DXA rotor to turn it, but now having second
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>> thoughts if the rotor will handle it long term. The "K" factor is 85% of the
>> published rotor rating.
>>  
>>
>>     
>>> I called Yeasu and they told me to take the weight off the rotor.  They
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>> suggested adding a second plate and bearing between the rotor and tower top
>> bearing, and take the weight off.  Sure did not come away with a warm and
>> fuzzy feeling that the rotor would handle the load.
>>  
>>
>>     
>>> So I am taking pause and sort of rotor shopping.  I realize I would take a
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>>>
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>> hit selling the Yeasu.  I would rather be safe than sorry later.
>>  
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>>> I was looking at the M2 Orion 2800 (rotor only) and a Green Heron
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>> controller.
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>>> Will the Orion fit in a LM354HD top section?  I called Tashjian and they
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>> could not answer that.
>>  
>>
>>     
>>> John
>>> wa5zup
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