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Re: [TowerTalk] FW: In Shack Tuner Vs. Remote Tuner for Multi-Band Anten

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] FW: In Shack Tuner Vs. Remote Tuner for Multi-Band Antennas
From: Jim Lux <jimlux@earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 07 May 2014 05:32:35 -0700
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On 5/7/14, 1:34 AM, Chuck Smallhouse wrote:
This interesting subject has so far has been educational !

But the original subject , I thought, would be discussed about shack
versus remote antenna tuners, which is a design project that I am
interested in.

My feeling is that most, if not all, antenna variable compensating units
(tuners), would be better served by installing them as close as physical
and mechanical possible to the antenna feed point, They could then
"Match" the antenna to 50R and allow VSWR free, and almost lossless,
coax to transport the signals to and from the antenna,  Of course this
technique/concept works best when used with multi band/frequency antennas,

At present I'm loath to find a QRO or better yet a QRO++, tuner suitable
for remote weather resistant mounting, other than the MFJ 998RT, and
it's only single ended.  I'd prefer one that also made the conversion
from balanced input to 50R output.


I wouldn't worry about the balanced to unbalanced. Your typical system will be Antenna:matching circuit:RF choke on feedline. The choke solves the "unbalanced feedline" issue. You don't really care if the case of the electronics is connected to one side of your dipole and the antenna terminal is connected to the other side. It makes your dipole slightly asymmetrical, and probably changes the feedpoint impedance a bit, but that's what the autotuner is for.

If you were feeding a long boom yagi for EME, and were going to obsess about side/back lobes for keeping the system noise temperature down, sure, you'd not want that big box munging up the pattern, but I can't imagine it having a very big effect on any HF antenna.


SGC's biggest antenna coupler (their term) is 500W, and is probably conservative at that.

Given that "power rating" practices of the various manufacturers are not consistent, it might well be that MFJ's 1500W tuner is comparable to SGC's 500W device.

To a first order, I'd look at physical size, and then look at the internal design: how big is the wire on the inductors, what kind of capacitors are they using and what's their loss tangent at HF.

If you have an idea of your typical load impedances, then you can use one of the matching network loss calculators (W9CF has one on line at hhttp://fermi.la.asu.edu/w9cf/tuner/tuner.html)






Q.: In keeping with the true subject of this O.T., will this be an
advantage over, only using the auto tuner in my PW-1 PA ?    And why
aren't there more remoteable, QRO, WX proof, auto tuners, on the market ?


Hams don't buy them. SGC sells/sold far more autotuners to non-ham customers than to hams. Ditto for all the other vendors, except possibly MFJ.

Hams like things with knobs they can turn.
Hams like equipment that they can take the lid off of and admire the inside components. That's hard to do when the box is weatherproof and at the top of a tower.<grin>

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