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Re: [TowerTalk] Anchor bolt material

To: Mickey Baker <fishflorida@gmail.com>, Marvin Shelton <marvs@att.net>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Anchor bolt material
From: "Ray, W4BYG" <w4byg@att.net>
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 15:23:37 -0400
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While I don't have detailed specifications, I know from experience heating drug store sulphur to a liquid and pouring it into such holds provides an extremely strong bond to the the bolts and concrete. As the molten sulphur cools, it expands and locks into the hole and around the bolt.

The process is quite easy although smelly, during the heating. I used an inexpensive smelting pot and a butane torch. The result was an very good bond for guy anchors holding up a 70' tower with a Mosley S-402 40 meter beam on top and a CL-36 tribander, 15' below. The cost is virtually nothing.

I was clued into this by an old time professional machinist who told me this was how they locked heavy, vibrating, machinery down. They never had a failure, nor did I.
Ray, W4BYG


On 10/12/2014 12:30 PM, Mickey Baker wrote:
You're asking for engineering analysis of a non-standard scenario. Any
advice would be risky.

1.125" bolts in a 2.5" diameter hole leaves a lot of space for fill. It
appears to me that you'd want to use a structural epoxy like Strong Tie,
but their data sheets don't cover this situation. I am using 1.125"
threaded rod in a 1.25" hole with Strong Tie... It will consume less than
two 22 ounce tubes. Your situation would use about 6 of those, but may not
be strong enough, I don't know. Cost is $30+ per tube! and you need the
mixing nozzle and a two part dispenser if you're doing it yourself.

Concrete mixes probably don't provide enough adhesive strength to prevent
pull out at load. Again, that's an estimate, not a certainty. I wouldn't do
it for my tower.

Do what you will, you're into a custom engineering situation. In my
estimation, you need smaller holes or lots of structural epoxy.

I'd hire an engineer with experience in customized use of structural
adhesives. Or maybe someone here has that experience and can shoot from the
hip.

I'd get a professional opinion and put the project off a week. Better safe
than not.

73,

Mickey N4MB

On Sunday, October 12, 2014, Marvin Shelton <marvs@att.net> wrote:

Here’s a question for everyone. I’m installing a new T-base for my
crank-up US Tower so that I can use the raising fixture and stop climbing
it when it’s retracted. (getting too old for that) and I’ve got the holes
prepared and am wondering about the anchoring material to use.
I’ve drilled the holes 2.5” in diameter to account for the nuts at the
base of the anchor bolts, which I’ve had to cut off because I couldn’t go
deep enough. So now I have 2.5” diameter holes to install 1-1/8” anchor
bolts in.

My obvious choices are anchoring epoxy, which is expensive at over $20 per
tube, Quikrete anchoring cement, and I just discovered something called
Rockite- for anchoring and patching.  I’m hoping that any of these choices
will work. I’d like to save a few $$ and use the Quikrete which will be
much easier to use (mix like concrete and pour into the holes). It has a
pull-out strength of 14,100 psi  after 24 hours and 21,000 psi after 28
days.

Anyone have experience with any of these products. I’d like to do my pour
today if possible.

Thanks in advance.


Marv
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